Friday, May 2, 2008

Does the church have a sista's best interest at heart? + Wealth ideas (scroll down)









































Two Happy Interracial Couples, (above) would they be welcomed at a typical black church?

I sometimes have to question the motives of the black church. We used to go to one, and many times I found myself feeling horrified at the things the pastor was saying, and the people were agreeing with. For one our pastor repeatedly told us to give till it hurts. That seemed to me an odd thing to say especially coming from a man who wore 1000.00 suits and lives in a mansion. Obviously he was not living this rule. He also drives a Bentley. No, I did not say a Mercedes, which is about 60k. I said a Bentley which starts off at 250,000! I firmly believe that charity starts at home and that is why I just do not believe in giving until it hurts. Why in the world would we give until our households are hurting? So that this man can buy more suits? I believe the lord wants us to be generous, but not a fool. It really began to get on my nerves to hear my pastor actually have the audacity to ask "who can give 1000.00 right now? - stand up"
I always thought "That is just so tacky! " But it was a tacky tactic that seemed to work. Many people desparate for his attention would jump up and give that 1000.00 and then seem to glow, as they were rewarded with one of his rare smiles. I always thought to myself "This just does not feel right!- Calling people out on how much they can or will give! I also remember reading about TD Jakes going into some unfortunate county. (think it was an Alabama county.) He was telling the people (mostly female-headed households) to give until it hurts, and trust the lord. He walked out of that county with hundreds of thousands of dollars and forclosures went through the roof! Many of those single mothers lost their homes! He apparently had some kind of contest to see who could give the most. The women in their quest to please him gave and gave to their own demise. I think we need to step back sometimes and read our bible and then ask for guidance without always turning to a self-ordained man as if he were the single conduit to God. Too many pastors will use God as a convenient excuse to mislead, maltreat, and betray their congregations for their own selfish gain. The biggest issue I take umbrage with is the misleading quote pastors and church officials alike will pull out on lonely, single, and often depressed women. That quote is "Wait on a man until God sends him to you! "

Have you ever waited on a job until God sent you one? or waited to pay your bills until God told you to? Or waited to go to school, eat, sleep. etc.! I believe God helps those who help themself. Life is just too short to wait for anything or anyone! I believe we are given common sense for a reason. We are supposed to exercise it. I think the real reason women are being told to 'wait' is because it serves the church's interest. If these women are lonely, depressed and manless, they are docile, easily led and manipulated. Just like sheep. Ever noticed how when a woman's energy is high and she has good confidence, she can laugh off ignorance and is very difficult to deceive? Yet if she is diffident by nature, or temporarily depressed, she is much more gullible and likely to listen to people who do not have her best interests at heart. This is because she is at a vulnerable point in her life. Lately, it seems to me the churches are feeding off of this pain and vulnerability instead of trying to ameliorate it. And if millions of women are going to church praying for a 'good man', why is the church not sponsoring many more 'singles events'? Why are they not telling women forget about a black man and just focus on a good man? We have been going to black churches a long time. And that is a message I have NEVER heard!!! How come black women are doing 90% of the work in the church but all the leadership positions seem to be held by men, with women acting as appendages to them? Why are some churches telling women they are making brothas look bad, just because they are going for their goals? Why are sistas expected to run around like fools wiping the faces of the deacons and bringing them cool drinks when they are already slaving away at home and on the job 5-6 days a week as it is? But most of all I want to know why no one is telling bw to open their options and go find them themselves someone who will love them regardless of his color? And furthermore, why are they not telling the sorry -behind men;
GROW UP!! Stop this foolishness!! Get an honest job-stop selling drugs -Marry your child's MOTHER!!! BE A MAN!!! Why do they continually let sweet faithful bw sway and pray for one of these peices of men? You need a peice of chocolate-but never a peice of man!
I just don't understand how they can see these beautiful women dying like roses on the vine, and keep deceiving them! I believe God wants us to have life and have it more abundantly. (that's what my bible says) To me abundance = Health, Wealth, and LOVE! I believe they are ALL essential and that in order to have a good life, we cannot skip any of them! As a bw who loves BW. I say if your church is telling you things that cause your instincts to cringe,- take another look. Evaluate what they are really saying, and consider the source and what they have to gain. Do they have YOUR best interests at heart? -Or their own???

Below are some wealth ideas for the Entrepreneurs....

100,000 per year with Newsletter profits!

Want to know about a business that can fairly easily grow into a million dollar enterprise in a few years? Ever dreamed of being a published Author but don't know where to begin. Why not start with newsletter publishing. You can hone your writing skills, make serious money, build up a following of eager customers and friends and keep your message as well as any products/services you offer before your public. You will also gain the advantage of being considered an expert in your field. This qualification can benefit you in countless ways. For instance. If you are an animal lover like my daughter, and you are absolutely crazy about animals-you could do an animal newsletter for all the people who share your love and enthusiasm. You could easily name it something like:


(Purrrr - Fect News for cat lovers!) See how easy it is to come up with good ideas. Once you have your name of your newsletter, Simply make a list of some of the topics animal lovers would be interested in. Then simply start to write. You can hire a printer to print your paper each month. To get publicity, simply send in a sample and news release to all the magazines in your field of interest (to the new products editor). You can obtain thousands of dollars in free publicity this way.

Yes starting a new venture is scary and all the publicity may launch your new business so fast, it may overwhelm you. But just take a deep breath and realize that whatever you lack, someone else has. The SBA is an excellent source of capital, training and senior expertise. They have a group of retired business owners called score. Free of charge, they will guide your biz and offer free help and advice. You are not alone. Simply google them at wwwSBA.com Now I am going to show you how to turn a simple idea into a million dollars in 2 years. Say you take your newsletter idea, and you start to generate publicity, and interest. Sell your subscriptions at a reasonable price say 95.00 Annually. Say you work diligently and get 1000 subscribers in year one. That's over 80.000!! And remember you can sell the advertising space as your paper becomes more popular. And most important, you as the expert can easily make products in correlation with your paper. In this case. say cat beds, pillows, toys, clothes etc. This is the perfect environment for you to make your own products! And as your membership grows -so will your profits! Say you make 2 products for your paper. One sells for 100.00 and one for 50. Now say you sell just 200 of the 100.00 product, and 200 of the 50.00 product over the whole year. That adds over 40.000! to your membership profits is 40.000 extra in your first year with just 2 products!!! And that is not including any paid advertising! People thousands of people get rich in newsletters every year! I remember once wanting very much to subscribe to a stocks newsletter. I would have if the costs had been reasonable. But they wanted 1000.00 bianually for a subscription! Thats 2k per year! I could not bring myself to spend that kind of money on a newsletter. But imagine an enterprising person doing the research and then selling the same info for only 200-500 per year! If her information was good, she could easily be swamped by people trying desparately to get the info who cannot afford the higher one. Folks the only difference in the haves and the have nots are the dos and the do nots! You can have whatever you are willing to work for..... To start, simply decide what interests you. Then name your newsletter. Get a good list of people who share your interest, and start pulling customers. You can use the SDRS (explained below) or offer a free issue to gain customer interest. I would also ask for suggestions as this will tell you exactly what your customers want to know. Most companies do not listen to their customers, and as a result they lose business. Don't make that mistake. You can google newsletter business and see exactly how to make this thing go. This is an excellent business for people who share an interest. And the money can quickly become unbeleivable in the very first year with some hard work. Some topics you can write about are:
1. finding love

2. creating wealth

3. stocks

4. bonds

5. Real Estate

6. Pet lovers

7. Favorite Recipes

Whatever your interests are, someone shares them and would love to make you rich talking about them....

How to become an instant big name Author!! (and make millions!!)

Let me show you how easy it is to plug a million dollar idea. Say you wanted to write a book about women getting the particular man they want. You don't know how to pull the avalanche of publicity that will ensure a best seller as well as make you the millions you've been dreaming of. Suppose you start like this: If it were me and I wanted to pen a relationship book and ensure that it was read, this is how I would proceed....

Let me show you how easily you can turn this into a million dollar idea. If I wanted to write a relationship book that would sell well, I would do it like this (off the top of my head) I would contact the papers, and send them a press release like this:


(Woman wants to know why sweet little dogs are on leashes- but men get to rove the streets free!)

This is the kind of story reporters eat up -because it sells papers! I would then make it very controversial by putting a big, handsome man in a leash and a pretty woman leading him around. I would write the book from the perspective of treating a man like a dog and title the book like this:

"How to train your dog...er...I mean man to be a good little boy."

It would be so controversial, it would get instant publicity. The papers would immediately pick it up and run with it. Want to make it an even bigger/better deal and gain instant fame?

Make the woman and the man different ((RACES!!!))

This would immediately cause an instant stir regardless of whether he was black and she was white or vise-versa. Instantly you would get hate mail and many people would curse your name but millions would be intrigued and I guarantee you, Millions would hang on your every word and line your pockets with money! This is what you call outrageous marketing. If you know how to market,or you have a good imagination, you can make money from thin air! This is the type of thing that could easily take on a life of it's own -so you would have to be prepared, but like I said, you could laugh all the way to the bank. Ever heard of Robert Allen and the challenge? Basically he claimed that he could go into any unemployment line and take 3 people (couples) and teach them wealth building. He claimed that in 90 days they would know how to build wealth through Real Estate and would have 5.000 in their pocket in 3 months and never set foot in an unemployment line again. I read that book several times. It was an excellent book, but the point is that challenge instantly gained him millions in free publicity and launched his career. BTW, 2/3 couples did succeed. The 3rd person could never seem to get it together. But the point is that was brilliant marketing. You would be much better off to have a mediocre product and really good marketing, than you would having a great product with mediocre marketing. If you can think outside the box, or teach yourself how, you can always make millions. Back to that book idea:

I would parlay that publicity into a million dollar fortune by giving talks, doing interviews, Even wearing a necklace in the paper that said (top dog) there are a million ways to make money with a good idea.
Although I would get some male hate-mail, I would laugh all the way to the bank. I just came up with that off the top of my head, yet that could easily become a million dollar idea, with a book/ebook, seminar, short course, full course etc. You get the idea. controversy sells, Its one of the reasons Madonna and Britney are big stars-just know that it can be a double-edge sword. You must learn to think outside the box. When you train your mind to look for opportunities, you will come up with million dollar ideas off the top of your head too. (I have them constantly) and so can you... Google newsletters and get started making your fortune today!


Bills to Riches!!! (make up to 10,000 per month)

One business that never seems to go out of style is billing for small business. This is because most small to mid-sized businesses cannot afford to the full time staff to handle the administrative work involved in billing and invoice. It is far more productive to them for them to have someone work from home and take care of it. This is a low cost business you can start from home, and if you already own a computer, your cost will be nominal.
You can do this in your spare time(while keeping your job for the moment) and when it is too cost-prohibitive to go to work because you are losing money, you can quit. An easy to start, billing service can easily make up to 75.000 per year, with not much work. The key ingredient here is to be organized and efficient. Your potential clients will be small to mid-priced businesses. An easy way to get all the clients you could ever need is to offer the first month free and charge from there. They will jump at the chance, and you will have all the business you can handle. Service oriented businesses seem to take to home billing the best. Go to the library and look up small biz billing so that you will have a more step by step blue print to follow. Or you can pick up a small biz billing book on ebay. This business if basically for someone who loves organization and has a head for numbers.

To start this biz, simply register a name in your county (usually the courthouse) It's a small fee to do this. Open a business checking with the certificate that you will receive from the county courthouse. You can advertise in numerous ways, 1. fliers

2. Ads in the paper, such as this

Business Billing driving you crazy? Let us handle it. Low rates and guaranteed service! Call 857-555-2659 (New York Billing & Associates.


You do not want to use your name because it sounds amateurish. You want to look professional. This is why you should also use good letterhead and envelopes. Do not skimp on these items! You can use low cost machines and printers (provided they are still good) but never use cheap letterhead! I will show you an easy way to get all the customers you could want. 1. Either pass fliers (you can use school kids) to all the businesses in your area. 2. Offer a free first month and and no charge if not satisfied, and/or 3. Go to your public library and ask for the SRDS. This is a very expensive book compiled bimonthly. It will list all the different lists of every type you can imagine. You want to tailor your business to the lists such as businesses that buy book keeping software. Or businesses that buy info on book keeping, record keeping , regulations regarding books etc. With this information, you have your target market right in your hands! You can easily photo copy the lists you are interested in and -hello! CONTACT THESE BUSINESSES-PRONTO! In a few months, you could easily have to turn people away. I was talking with someone the other day. She does this, and told me her business grew so fast, she was overwhelmed! She said she is making over 10,000 per month yet she has no time to spend it. I suggested that she hire more help. I told her that for 2 grand a month, she can hire a good office manager and free up much of her time. Do you know she declined because she did not want to pay the money! Well, you can lead a horse to water...... If you will not part with an extra dime to build your business, I guess you will have to do it all yourself, it's really as simple as that. But anyway, back to the business....

You will need a business line and several file cabinets. You can get these at yard sales/thrift shops or other places dirt cheap.

You will need nice business cards and a web site. Now it does not matter if all it does is list your name and phone number. People expect a business of this sort to have a web site! Just keep it clean and professional looking. No glittering or jumping animations please! Nothing spells amateur faster than that. You can easily take a book keeping course at your local college or you can learn by CD, Book, Video etc. You can do and have anything you want in this life if you will just decide WHAT you want and WHAT you will pay to have it. (time, hard work, studying, learning, etc)


If you are a social butterfly -this won't work for you because you probably will not be able to sit still long enough to make this work. This is def. for the person who perfectly balances their checkbook, and has not had a check bounce in a few years. To everyone this does not fit, stay tuned because I will be featuring small biz ideas every week. Remember that your life cannot change until you do something different! Believe in yourself, people with half your wit, charm, intelligence and credentials have made themselves into big successes and so can you. You can always email me for help and advice at asktaylor1991@yahoo.com (my readers only)

Beauty tip for the ladies;

For hair that will not grow there are several things you can do:
1. lay down with your head over the side of a bed 15 minutes per day. This will cause the blood to rush to your head, and stimulate growth.

2. keep your hair extremely clean. Often bw wash their hair too seldomly and the oils and sebum will cause the follicles to clog and prevent growth.

3. EXERCISE!! This will cause the blood to rush to your head, stimulate growth as well as make you look fantastic, healthy, young, and slim! Exercise will also make your skin glow, your eyes sparkle and release endorphins which make you feel peaceful and euphoric! The benefits of exercise are limitless! For health and beauty, you MUST EXERCISE!!!

4. You would not think this one would work, but I can assure you it does. when you take your hair out of it's style -gently pull each section of it, all over your head. This is a strengthening exercise which stimulates growth. (don't do this to wet hair)
5. A vigorous head message once per day seems to stimulate the follicles to grow hair faster and stronger. This also feels fantastic! If you are short on time, you can incorporate a vigorous message into your shampoo-remember to shampoo at least 1x per week 2x is even better. If you have dry hair, use a moisurizing shampoo and really message as you shampoo. Mayonaise is an excellent conditioner for very dry hair, but it must be shampooed out afterwards-rinsing won't be enough. BTW, when it comes to 'our' hair remember dry hair is BREAKING hair! keep it moisturized.....
These tips absolutely work. My hair is just past my shoulders and I can get it to grow like a ww! And now so can you! Thank y'all for tuning in -see you next post....

79 Comments:

At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Girl, excellante as usual! My church manipulated me for years until I realized I had spent thousands with them and had nothing to show for it! Love the wealth ideas and the hair! I'm so excited, been tryin to get my hair agrowin for a long time! Thank you Thank you Thank you!

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger Tracy said...

I left the church for the very same reason - I guess that I used too much common sense for that crowd!

Oooh and love the pic of the big sista with the her man!! Thanks a bunch!

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Post.

It is so unfortunate that there are people who head the church simply because they are looking for an easy way to make money. And, that is one reason why some men do not attend church services- because some men know when a "game" is being played.
I have worked with bw (usually the more mature ladies) who will say do not talk about my church... even if you were not referring to a particular church. They mean any blk. church. Therefore, if you know or sense something that is not correct about a particular Pastor/Bishop(whatever they are calling themselves) their church ladies that will encourage other females to keep that type of news to themselves. I say that type of thinking is OVER. Many blk. churches of today are not exactly the same blk. church of days gone by. Most televised churches are simply talking about money and how they can get you to give them more of your money.
And, I still have yet to find out why these churches have Bishops? Bishops are a catholic thing. I live in New Orleans and people like Bishop Paul Martin came to town maybe 20 years ago with a good scam and have become very rich. During, Katrina he was only looking out for himself and his closest friends. And, Bishop Martin went to various churches throughout the state and collected tides from the church members. One would be hard press to find out what he has done for his devoted followers in New Orleans and now Houston, TX. Some of these silly non-thinking bw are simply following these type of men and their fake 1st ladies of the church- no questions asked. And, most of these church women(who are usally single or widowed) work hard at home, on their paying jobs and their churches and most have very little to show for their work. As some miniters will tell them to stay prayful?
And, where is the rest of that sentence...stay prayful and then what? Just keeping praying and do not think for yourselves- because your Bishop will think for you. The Bishop and the 1st lady usually has the wealth of the church. You leave the church what happens to your tides? And, the church should stop telling its members do not worry about where your tides are going because you are doing this for the Lord. Yeah, right. These churches should do more in the line of:Homeownership, Mentoring(help an adult to learn to read and acquire better math skills and that includes the kids), Drug Rehabilitation, and Read the Bible for yourselves. God gave us all the ability to think for ourselves. If what you are doing is not working correctly then research new ideas until you locate one that is right for you.
A. F.

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara you better preach! ;-) Took the thoughts right out of my head regarding these black pastors and churches. I recognize a hustle when I see one. And that's exactly what all this "tithe and give and wait on God to send you your black man" mess is. A thinly-veiled HUSTLE, a clever con. Many of these so-called men of God are nothing more than scripture-quoting pimps. Sisters don't be conned!

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger bwdb said...

Amen, Amen, Amen & where do I start?

I wrote about the "Black church" in my book, also briefly touched upon the topic in one of my YouTube videos...I believe firmly in going to a church with a diverse racial makeup...Not to say that they're pefect, because no institution is...But one has less chance of being caught up in that same "dog & pony show"...The women in the Black churches tend to do a lot of grunt work...These same women are often single and are given what is an equivalent to a'pat on the head' for all their efforts...There are rarely talks of men standing up, being accountable, and taking wives in a timely fashion...The status quo in the Black church is often NOT in a Black woman's interest....Sara thank you for broaching the subject...

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger Felicity said...

Good post Sara, it really depends on the church, I used to go to church and I would pay my tithes and I was there for eight months and my life was still the same. When I went home, I started to watch Creflo Dollar, I learnt about paying my tithes and sowing a seed and saying what I wanted, I would get passages from the bible and put my name and repeat. I was led to going to my present church, they are a racially mixed congregation, My pastor is married to a white womane, he is from Africa and she is from England, they are based in London the other pastors of the church, in Manchester both pastors and their wives are also interracial couples, One is African and his wife English, the other is African and his wife is Asian. They teach on the word of God and I have been there for almost a year now and my life has changed so much. Unfortunately people need to read the bible for themselves and they need to go to churches that teach you to use the word of God to get a job. God helps those who help themselves, if you want a job, you have to go and get a job, also pray and ask God to help you, if you want a man, you have to sit down and think long and hard, they type of person you want in your life. This is something many people don't do. You have to be very honest with yourself. Although God knows what is in your heart, you have to say what you want and be specific and honest and in the meanwhile you work on yourself. Also you have to look as aspects of your life and if you need to change it, ask for changes. Women believe in praying and the man will turn up on your doorstep, no he won't. You have to some of the work, such as you have to go out to nice places, like restaurants, bookstores, libraries etc and you also have to know what type of man you want and believe you will get that man. Some of the black churches have never taught us to be wives, women have to make themselves look attractive and they have to have attractive ways also. Our church discuss marriage, availabiltiy of men, we can have any man we like as long as he is God fearing. Lucky for me, my pastor is all for interracial marriages, because he is in one himself and so are the many pastors there who are head of the churchs, based in Manchester, Birmingham, Cardiff, Bradford etc. Since I have now decided to get a husband, another book which has helped me called 'The Secret' and so far everything I have asked for, even the type of man, God has helped me. So I am very blessed. Many so-called black churches realise it is in their interest for black women to remain unmarried and tell them that it is God's will for them to be single, which is not true. So that they can collect the tithes and offerings and live big lives. You pray according to God's will, which is abundance and prosperity meaning good health, good wealth, good relationships (good marriage, children etc). The bible constantly talks about marriage, getting children, examples of fine husband and Boaz, example of wonderful women are Deborah, Ruth, Esther, even with Esther, she had beauty treatments and she looked her best. Even when Sheba visited Soloman, she turned up looking her best. I find bad that some black churches don't convey this to their female members, but told about vanity of vanities, Soloman wrote that when he was a old man. You can used parts of Esther instead of saying Esther was beautiful and well favoured, you can say for eg Sara is beautiful and well favoured. BW need to know that there is a wide available of men out there and I mean millions of men. You name it, they are there. All types, mixture, eyes, heights, there is no shortage of good men, even if you wanted a black man, there are loads of Africans from Nigerian, Zambia, South Africa, Ghana, Ivory Coast and as for Europe, South America, or whereever the skys the limit. We can go on the internet and look and the type of man, you want focus, ask, believe and receive, what on you, love yourself, your caramel, mocha, mahoney, chocolate skin, your lips, which are lips of an angel, your hair, your body, your breasts, hips, thighs and the more you love you, you will be surprised how many men will flock to you. I feel sometimes there is an agenda for black women to be miserable, alone, desperate and it does not have to be so.

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

CW...just a side note.

Remember Jim Jones and his diviserfied church members.

A. F.

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Everyone, Please use a name! I'm thinking of eliminating the ability to post under Anon, because we always get so many,it becomes confusing. Please pick a name guys. Any name.....

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger bwdb said...

Anonymous A.F.

If Bethel Temple starts handing out black cloaks and cups of kool-aid, I will exit the building : |

And sense we wanna be so smart...

Jim Jones parishoners may have died a quick death, but many Black churches are slowly killing their women with the same beat-down doctrine...Selah!

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, I think people post anny. because it is easier...no one wants to have an argument with someone they may normally agree with.

Rizn Mogal-I know what a cheesy nick.

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

yes, I certainly understand that Anon, but you do not have to use YOUR name to post. you can make up any name and post and no one will know -and it's alot less confusing then 30 people all going by Anon. While the post count gets high. watch and see what I mean. It's gets really confusing....

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am in agreement this is all prophetic that MOST pastors are in for it. Including the Televised that speak nothing except for money. I heard from a close friend that even "The Dollar" has made people show by way of setting up lines if one can give $100..a line for $300 and so on.


Please read Ezek 34

The sad thing folks is:

Jer 5:30 “An astounding and horrible matter has come to be in the land:
Jer 5:31 The prophets have prophesied falsely, and the priests rule by their own hand, and **My people have loved it so.** And what are you going to do at the end of it?

As it was stated the BW like to have it so and thus will not make moves to change the situation- they are in their own comfort zone.

In my Hebraic Natsari assembly, we are small(we meet in homes), any money we have is for those who are in need. i.e. need of bills paid, clothing, food. Not to have a career as a pastor (though we do teach people who WANT to know our ways.)


We have been greatly blessed as we mimick the assemblies of the Book of Shaliachim (Book of Apostles/Acts) in the First Century times--and soooo much *simpler*. People today are wanting new cars, clothes, houses and such. and there is nothing wrong with obtaining such items. But when it becomes the main focus of WHY people go to church and why people become church leaders, then there is a problem.

Shabbat shalom! (Sabbath Peace!)

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger BeautifulBlkWoman said...

LOL @ CW.

I am sitting here pumping a fist because this post has me so fired up. I have always said that Black churches aren't anything but the new age of pimpology. The only difference is that the women aren't out on the corner selling @zz (that we know of). I wish more BP would stop and really look at the Church's hustle, because then they would stop using the lame azz excuse about casting stones. These so-called men of G-d are full of shizz. They might start out with good intentions, but then they get caught up in the hype and leave the truth behind.

I have learned that most people don't want to see the truth about the church because then they would be forced to see the hypocrisy in themselves, and one thing I know about people: they do NOT want to see that truth in themselves.

I used to believe the hype, but I had to break away from the church because I just couldn't see myself being swallowed whole and told what to think, how to dress, how to live, etc. I am too much of an independent thinker for that, and I am not having that mess. Most people seem to crave having someone else take the burden of being responsible for their own happiness away from them, that way they're justified in being miserable. God never said "you have to surrender your free will in order to be my children", but to hear these ministers and "bishops" talk, you have to turn over your life, soul, money, free will, happiness, time, and everything else you own, rent or rent-to-own.

Sad but true.

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger bwdb said...

Delish was onto something when she name a character in "The Mammy Chronicles" Sister SAME...

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

girl you are soooo right! And the craziest part is when he told those who could give a 1000 to stand up, that collection (about 35 people) made him so much money now it's an every week thing and nobody seems to have a problem with this except my family!

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post and great pics. It illustrates the fact that women need in many situations to consider the source of advice and opinions before acting on them. Ask where does the person making the statement fit? Have they earned the respect and trust? Is that respect and trust deserved? Have they been there done that walked a mile with you in your shoes to be there in the dark of night, when the chips are down - have they had your back when it counts? If the answer to those questions is no - then suspect their motives and motivation and if what they want is in your best interest? Women often do not question folks who step to them as to whether or not the person really has their interest as a priority? Position and education, commonly shared traits or experiences do not automatically convey the appropriate status to make demands or suggestions as to the course of action to be undertaken.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If Bethel Temple starts handing out black cloaks and cups of kool-aid, I will exit the building : |

And sense we wanna be so smart...:

And, this is the reason people would rather post anonymously... CW clam down no one was looking at you.

And, the question should be where is that $35,000. that was collected going to? The church used to say we are going to build another building or pay the electric and water. How many of the church members really benefit from all of the collections?

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger bwdb said...

Before I leave and the first idiot posts something about us being infidels...

GOD IS GOOD!
WE LOVE THE LORD!
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR SAVIOR!

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

Yes CW..tis true indeed..

Black "lady fingers" continuously dip into meager purses at the urging of the Pastor, even if the rent/ mortgage is paid late (or not at all) as a result. This is typical of the "Mammy Indoctrination"..Put everything else before yourself, especially the church and dbr men.

Now to give is a good thing, but one does not have to give actual money each time (especially if one does not have it) Time can be given, services can be given, and I believe in these things..WITHIN MODERATION.

On the occasions when I do present myself at a church, I can assure you I cannot be compelled to give more than I set out because a Pastor tried to "guilt me" into giving more than I put in the plate. These acts by a Pastor are the manifestations of men, not GOD.....IMO

 
At Saturday, May 03, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OK, Felicity what is up with all the African men marrying non-African females?
Engish = white..whatever.
Hmmmmm?????? Of course, the African men who head your church is all for ir dating/marriages. I supposed there weren't any African females who were good enough for your clergy.
Really no, offense Felicity; however, I have noticed alot of African men like AA men stating they are looking for anything but a African woman or a AA woman. I feel that is their lost.

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A large proportion of these african pastor are not different, believe me. I'm Nigerian, and back home, we'd often see them on t.v., preaching in different countries, at the same time stacking up their wealth in the bank. Do you know that the wealthiest church in Englacd is 'owned' by a Nigerian. His name is Matthew Ashimolowo. Sometime ago, he was being investigated for some under-G biz.

And yes, three of the african pastors all having non-african wives is a joke. I guarantee you, they probably have a wife/wives and kids back home. I've seen it happen all too often, especially with the Nigerian, Ghanian and Kenyan pastors here (in the UK).

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i did the "name" thing im normally under Ann C so i'll give this a try,lol.

but thus far my black church hasn't done the whole "wait on a black man" speech. i believe we have 3 interracial relationships there, 2 bw/ww and one of them the youth pastor is white and his wife is black. and 1 bm/ww but they rarley come. so i guess it really depends on the church. and if they are not promoting interraical relationship then maybe you could start a group at home. i know for me i am telling my friends date who ever you want he doesn't have to black. black men aren't puttin you on reserve, they're not making a proclamation "black women only".

i remember a while back i had a picture on damian marley,sean paul, and steven strait on my myspace(pics are still there). some guy emailed me and was like "you look very cute but it looks like your only into light skin and white men". i wrote him back and i said "im into men reguardless of color". im ready to put up paul walker on my page and im hopin for more responses,just to let these men know im not putting them on reserve.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger NicoleLorraine80 said...

And this is exactly why I don't do the church/religion thing. I would consider myself spiritual and I'm a happier person with it. It kills me to see people waiting around for 'God' to do things for them. It's like they're letting God down by not using the abilities that He gave them. You have to be pro-active. My pro-activity and newfound spirituality have given me very good results. I now have a better job that has put me in a better mood and a better mind frame to continue to work for the things that I want. I wish everybody would do the same, especially my poor cousin who keeps dating buster after buster and giving the majority of her life to her church.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

go head' nikki and sky! Clarice, excellent observations as usual.
Sky, it's kind of funny how if those of us are dark only have up light/white men -how quickly dark men lose their minds, yet that is EXACTLY what they do!!! And CW, you are so right about delish being on to something with church scene in mammy chon. I got shivers when I read it. It just hit way too chose to home! I remember the pastor 'telling us off' because he did not feel like we had given enough money (it had not even been counted yet) He just did not feel the buckets were flowing over. He accused us of cheating God and called us thieves! We sank lower and lower in our seats and felt like dirt. Then he said he was going to give us a chance to redeem ourselves but he would not give us a bucket because we did not deserve one. He said we must come to the stage and put money on the steps like the lowlives we were. I remember taking my last 20.00 and rushing to put it on the steps. Everyone was pulling money from diaper bags, bras, linings of thier coat etc. It was obvious people were using thier emergency money in many cases or money for their kids! Then we grinned at each other like stupid fools and said "thank God, he gave us another chance!"
I look back and cannot beleive how brain-washed I was becoming....

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think what we are seeing is that people can be so lazy at searching the Scriptures. That they would rather Pastor worship and be fattened for the slaughter. And this *is* occuring before our eyes.
These times have been predicted.

People are being fed junk food "gospel", of which there is little to no nutrition. Junk food can smell good, look good and taste good. But in the end, causes health problems and maybe even death(spiritual).

Some of the commenters are very , very correct when they say, that few people want to hear the truth. I "see" it everywhere. And for those who are savvy, will know what I speak when I say that there will truly be a remnant.

BW have to get themselves together and ask the Creator if what they are learning *is* THE Truth. If not, then that is prime time to question your leader/leaders. Don't just walk out, question them! They are flesh and blood too, not demi-gods they made THEMSELVES to be. If horns begin to grow on their heads and start saying...yes that's true...but! But! But! BUT!...It's time to leave and don't forget, you do not need a building to be in, in order to worship the Creator. We are the temple!

This message that Sara posted, was pretty much in time.(I believe YAHUAH used her) Many need to return to Scripture and study it for themselves like the Bereans of Acts 17:11, they even went to scriptures to see if Sha'ul (Paul) was speaking the truth! We have lost that drive. And therefore have become prime, fertile well tilled soil for false teachers and pastors to come in and tell you junk! My assembly and I may be of the Original Natsari Way, but I still do know about these men (and women) on these mega-church networks to shake my head.

Black churches are simply working off of the network church model and are striving to become, mega-dosed themselves. Failing to realize that much has left the original path. Paul would not even recognize to be quite frank.

I think it is up to us individually to seek out and expose falsehood. For we all are working out our OWN salvation. When it is time, Pastors Money, Price, and Dollar, will not be there for you and therefore you can not put blame on them.

If you feel the need to come out of her totally, then do so, and remember in the midst of two or three, our Mashiach (Messiah) is there!

BW! We need to investigate! This same message can apply to anyone though. :o)))

However, I do offer that I am free for any questions regarding this issue and more...time is of the essence.

phantomare@yahoo.com

Shalom Kulam (Peace to all)

Big {{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger Felicity said...

We need to read the bible for ourselves and we don't need to worry about getting men, because there is a high availability of men. We have to go with men who we feel attracted to, not what the church says, the bible only talks about people being unyolked. If you don't want to sit down and wait for a black men, don't there is no need to sit, God helps those who help themselves. You speak God's word over your situation, even if it looks bad and continue and things are subject to change. We must not let anyone, our families, BC and BW dictate to us, our souls tells us what feels right, if others don't like it tough.
@ Jailmaster and Anon
The pastors having non-black wives, the wives are suitable to them. We want husbands suitable to us. We just have to go out make ourselves available and concentrate on them, and they concentrate on us. We should worry about that. Getting gorgeous husbands, who are loving and kind is much more important. We have a lot of options now!

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Remember Jim Jones and his diviserfied church members."

As a child of the 70's who grew up in the neighborhood where Jim Jones' church was located, I have to tell you that the vast majority of his members were poor black (mostly women) people from my neighborhood. In fact, he started his ministry preying on them, and then it grew.

The largest most diverse church in the world is the Catholic church. Priest scandals aside, I use this example to say that not all diverse churches are crazy cults like Jim Jones. I attend a Foursquare Pentecostal church that is VERY diverse, and the services are as lively enough to meet my needs as one who was raised Baptist.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger Sandz said...

I'm glad you posted this article. The church I left in jersey which is a satellite of a MEGA church in Detroit MI, they made me think a LOT.
Meaning when I would hear messages, I would think - that wasn't the translation i received from that.
I almost wonder if the new churches are a way to keep BW bound.

I heard the Bishop was driving a Ferrari - while most of the peeps in the church are poor. You gotta be kidding me.

The pastor in the local church always steered clear of me. Some of his messages were just not right, and I could look at him and he would know that I would know.
(Yeah I trust the right shepherd - other than that - you ain't saying nothing I trust)

Moving here to the south REALLY has me believing it. But the being bound is readily accepted by both parties.

The last church I was attending was predominantly black. Yes there were BM/WW marriages and that seemed to be okay. Never saw BW/Non-BM relationships and what concerned me is if they would be accepted there. There seems to be a double prejudice in the All black church - one against non-Black people and two against Anyone (especially a woman) who goes against the norm.

I do not attend that church anymore. I got tired of seeing new guys attend a singles meeting and all of the BW there having claws and fangs out ready to tear into the fresh meat. Stare at the rest and howl while standing over it. And i was treated different, refuse to play the "Paasta say" game, and more.

Where we attend now (my daughter and I) we are among the minority. There isn't that same give all you got and more attitude. Yes they pass the plate around for tithes and offering, and that's that. No passing around and then give a guilt-message and pass it around again.

As it has been mentioned I am sick of the "I can do it - but you better not" attitude when it comes to BM (and WW) toward BW.
Damn I know I am very much human, have hopes desires and expectations. While sometimes I think settling may be okay (Don't worry I have a friend who screams at me in the phone DON'T SETTLE!!!) The other side of the coin - okay where is he, who does consider me attractive and desirable and and.... is not so high and mighty on himself.

I read and read and look at the pictures from yours and other ladies' blogs on the same topic and I ask well... how can that be me in one of those pictures?

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

jalilmaster....that is just the sadest thing to hear and I did not think about thsse men who may have families back home. I wonder do these Pastors support their families in their homelands? This type of behavior makes it difficult to get the necessary help that other African people need just to survive. Obviously, some of these men do care about their fellow Africans and these are the type of men who give other Africans a bad name.

Rizn Mogal

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The pastors having non-black wives, the wives are suitable to them." Felicity you sound as if you are defending these men- just a little.
Yes, marry who you wish.
On the other hand if you have a family back home- you as a man of God should take care of that situation first. Taking care of your first family's needs are just as important as going out and getting excited over some other race female. What about the children that are left behind? These children deserve the best that their father can give them. We all know that life for the wife back home can be filled with unnecessary hardships if she does not receive both mental/financai support from her husband.
I bet the children by the new wife will be taken care of very well.
I am not trying to offend you. I am only trying to show support for other women.
Rizn Mogal

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Sandz thanks for your honesty. I seem to be getting that question alot from BW. Where is Mr Right (Regardless of his color) People especially write me by email and ask for help in this departement. I can see, I am going to have to put something together to get some you beautiful sistas married because y'all don't beleive me when I tell you how beautiful and desirable y'all are...*shakes head* I can see I'm gonna have to prove it, and put some kind of service up.....

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandz,
Re-read some of the good advice that was given. Only you know what you are looking for in a husband. Believe in yourself and show off that beautiful smile to all the men. Other race men probably have looked at you and you like alot of other women probably did not give it a second thought. What about improving on your education? This summer why not take a class were mostly men will be in attendence...golf, learn how to repair a car, any class that teaches how to build something? Good Luck.
A.F.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go Sara Go.
A.F.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"People especially write me by email and ask for help in this departement. I can see, I am going to have to put something together to get some you beautiful sistas married because y'all don't beleive me when I tell you how beautiful and desirable y'all are"

taylor-sara


i am so glad you mentioned that. the other day i was just talkin w/ the Lord trying to understand just how desirable i am & why i wasn't gettin anywhere. and the Lord spoke to me saying i should collect pictures of women who look like me and practice looking at them. i started by going to the victoria secret website and going though it and collecting pictures of dark skin women. after that i look at the pics and realized just how exotic and sexy our skin is. for so long we've been told our skin is dark and ugly. lately ive been taking care of my skin and loving it at the same time. now everytime i go out somewhere i hold my head high knowing just how dark & sexy my skin is.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

It's BAAAAACK ~ by popular demand.

One day show only:

...............................

Chapter 3

Pastor Darnell Billidee said
"Sisters, open your wallets, your MEN need you." An affirmative murmur
rippled through the bevy of ladies, and greasy swollen fingers opened
purses with great flourish. No one gave more generously than Miss Mammie Doom
(although she was not sure how she would now pay her house taxes, which would
soon be due.)
Pastor Billidee reminded the ladies that Vermouth Gintonix, (the
alcoholic janitor) was single. He was the only other single man in church that day. He stopped
cleaning and bestowed a brilliant smile on the ladies. It was then
noticed that poor Vermouth had no front teeth, and the rest were a decidedly
unpleasant color and formation. He seemed quite fit though. Sister Same (Mammie's "roomate")
felt stirrings in her loins that she had not felt in years. If Pastor Billidee approved
well.......

.................................
Author's statement:

This is a SATIRE (whether you think so or not) It is not directed at any one person, nor is it a statement about anyone's weight. It is meant to startle you, and you may even consider it offensive. Luckily for me, I do not conduct any activities in my life based on whether I think someone will be offended, short of murder and mayhem, which I assure you I would never be a part of. Now those would be serious affairs....this "chronicle" does not fit into that category.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

I just wish you would hurry and publish them, I want to buy it....

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger Zabeth said...

As an aside, there is a really good book about taking care of black hair entitled "Beautiful Black Hair" by Shamboosie- a hair designer based out of Atlanta.

http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Black-Hair-Problems-Instructional/dp/0970222467/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209939993&sr=8-1

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger PVW said...

I'm not a member of a black church--never was, and I just can't see it happening.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger GoldenAh said...

Interesting topic. I haven't attended Church (Sunday School), since I was 12, or younger. I used to go on Holidays - over 10 years ago.

I want to go back, sometimes. I don't go, because I don't want anyone telling me what to do.

As for the pimp masters: I don't know if I can truly blame them. Imagine heading a movement where people gave you money without question.

I can honestly say: I could be a corrupt power monger in a heartbeat. It is the ultimate aphrodisiac and addictive.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Blogger Sandz said...

pioneervalleywoman - I can't say I blame you at all

AF & Sara Thanks.

I am thinking of taking some art classes real soon - I took golf in undergrad A in both classes but maybe hitting the course for the course wouldn't be a bad idea.

Okay gotta run - we are home later after softball practice and we need to eat. Well, my daughter needs to eat I am okay - lol.

 
At Sunday, May 04, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

goldenah...it still does not make it right.

A.F.

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is Rev. Wright trying to ride on the shirt tail of Obama?
One reporter said that the Rev. has a book coming out soon. Now I ask you is the Rev.'s book worth dismantling Obama's campaign?
Mr. O. should have admonish the Rev. at least one or two months ago.
Rev. Wright please shut the duck up. Also, has the NAACP spoken out about the Dunbar Village tragedy?
A. F.

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

I don't think they have AF, does anybody know for sure? You know they don't give a damn what happens to bw and girls...

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

These blogs have really opened my eyes to the double standards that are prevalent with bm/bw. I knew there were issues I simply could not figure where some of the issues were originating. And, alot of the issues are with the so called leaders/NAACP. This is a group that really needs to get their acts together. If I am not mistaken non-unity is one reason Julian Bond resigned. Too many of us are just plain old selfish and some of us just hate the thought of some of us getting ahead financially or other wises.
Less hating and more supporting.
A. F.

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Blogger Felicity said...

[i]"The pastors having non-black wives, the wives are suitable to them." Felicity you sound as if you are defending these men- just a little.
Yes, marry who you wish.
On the other hand if you have a family back home- you as a man of God should take care of that situation first. Taking care of your first family's needs are just as important as going out and getting excited over some other race female. What about the children that are left behind? These children deserve the best that their father can give them. We all know that life for the wife back home can be filled with unnecessary hardships if she does not receive both mental/financai support from her husband.
I bet the children by the new wife will be taken care of very well.
I am not trying to offend you. I am only trying to show support for other women.
Rizn Mogal[/i]

@ Rizn Mogal, My pastors are young men, they did not have families back home, because they either came to England when they were young or they were born here. My pastor came to England fourteen years ago, he started dating his wife a year after he was in England and they dated for three years and they have been married for ten years. Not all African men behave have wives back home, there are some very decent African men, but people should not to tar every African man with the same brush, and that is not fair, and before you say, what don't you marry an African man, I won't because I am not sexually attracted to them. I have my own man, who I am attracted to and I am concentrating on getting him right now. I judge a church by seeing results in my own life. Once you getting good results in your life, then you know you are in a good place. I have been in my church for nearly a year now and I am very pleased how my life is progressing. It is not good going to a place and you can in the same place for the next five years or so. BW have brains and can think for themselves and they have to stop looking at black men and what they are doing and blaming them, sometimes we BW have to admit we picked losers, we didn't listen to what they said and looked at their actions, but we have to move on now and concentrate on getting quality men, be honest with ourselves and be with men who really want and are sexually attractive to us, because at the end of the day, we have to make love to our husbands to the next 40 years or so, so it helps to be sexually attractive to them. We want the men to be sexually attractive to us, and before you say, there are a lot of men who are sexually attractive to their wives, but they still cheat, that is where God comes in if you believe in him, God knows everybody, so he knows who the ones who are cheaters and he knows the faithfull ones also. The bible is full of what God says about you, even if you don't want to go to church, read what God says about [b]you. [/b]You and you alone can cause things to happen and you make the first move. God will help you with the next move, but we have to have faith in God's infinite wisdom and guidance.

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

thanks felicity for clearing that up-now everyone lets please move on...and please pull some kind of name from the sky and use it....-thank you

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read CW’s book this weekend. It was funny and enlightening! She really broke it down. I plan to give a copy to my 21 year old niece.

Guilt and Shame coming from those pulpits are very effective emotions used for crowd control and to keep the money flowing. I just refuse to believe this is what Jesus had in mind. He was all about love and building good relationships.

The black church could have been such a powerful avenue for spiritual enlightenment, education, community involvement and building businesses for black people.

Instead, the black church looks like an extension of the black clubs, without the alcohol served. A few bm working hard to keep the business going and whole lot of exhausted bw buying new clothes, shoes, hats, weave, nails, struggling to keep 2 - 4 kids quiet in church, if they bring them. Then, leave the same way they came, empty, broke and alone or with men who have no intention of treating them well. Then, they get the “you are focused on the wrong thing” speech from other women. How dare you want a spiritually healthy committed man and family to share life with?

You are right Sara. For bw to produce some of the most prominent athletes, EXERCISE has become a dirty word. Our bodies are not designed to store excessive fat for loooong periods of time! Eventually, it will turn on you in the form of diabetes, heart problems, stroke, dark circles around the neck etc....

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandz said... "I read and read and look at the pictures from yours and other ladies' blogs on the same topic and I ask well... how can that be me in one of those pictures?" and "While sometimes I think settling may be okay (Don't worry I have a friend who screams at me in the phone DON'T SETTLE!!!)"

Not to interfere or intervene in what Sara plans to do - can't wait to see it I know it will be good. Some thoughts on your question - first and foremost know without a doubt that it can be you in one of those pictures. With that belief firmly planted even when it seems doubtful and you are feeling like settling - when your friend calls to give you a reality check you are one step closer, because until and unless you can picture it in your mind it can't happen.

When you focus on something life has a habit of moving toward that - think of it as hand eye coordination. When you are tossing a ball it tends to go where you are looking - so where you look is where you go. Life tends to bring people and circumstance when we need them - it is up to us to recognize it. That is why we all are blessed with folks from time to time who say - excuse me but why are you settling.

This week a phrase in the sermon stuck with me - maybe the problems and issues and difficulties that BW are having w/ the BC and DBR maybe intended to push them out of their comfort zone - they are not meant to stay - it was not caused to do harm but it was/is being allowed to push women to take care of themselves and be the best they can be, discover gifts and talent and open new doors and not be satisfied with settling.

Effectively closing a door to the past and BW need to move forward, looking toward the future. Until you can see what it is you want and believe that it is good and right and meant for you - it can't happen. Human nature tends toward remaining in the comfort of the familiar and even if the familiar is uncomfortable it is known down the familiarity is comfortable. Get comfortable with the idea of that picture in your mind think about it add details, think about the taste the feel picture it in as much detail as possible -let your mind roam and consider how can do I get ready for what is coming - brainstorm - catch those ideas on paper. Maybe try a new place to eat, or a museum, change your style - an updated look you've always wanted but did not have the chance or freedom to try - expand your circle of interest and your options will multiply. Settling is shorthand for limiting your options.

Just a few random thoughts -mostly allow yourself to dream and dream big. Hope that helps.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Blogger bwdb said...

Energize:

Thanx and much love! Please send the message to every young Black girl in your life that she deserves to be treated well!

Anonymous A.F.: Sorry if I jumped to conclusions...Sometimes things can be misconstrued online...Hey, you can make fun of the way I spelled "since"..LOL

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

CW...Peace!
A. F.

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Sara, this is unrelated to the blog, but I noticed in the margin you posted a picture of Tia and her fiance. That is actually Tamera. Tia got married recently to someone else:)
Love your blog!
~Sarah with an H:)

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Blogger grant said...

Hey gang:

Most of you may already be aware of this, but Mildred Loving died today at the age of 68. I think that it is fitting for all of us to remember how much more difficult it must have been for her and Robert(?) to have loved one another in the face of interracial animus that we can only imagine. She was a pioneer and we should all be sadened by her passing. I remember reading a comment that she made during an interview given about 3-4 years ago, she simply said, "I still miss him". If I may be allowed to paraphrase Shakespeare,"Love IS love that does not alter when alteration finds". That sense of loss that Mildred still felt after all the years is founded in the type of love for her partner that I hope each of us finds.

She will be missed.

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of LOVE I just read online the following... Mildred Loving, a black woman whose challenge to Virginia's ban on interracial marriage led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling striking down such laws nationwide, has died, her daughter said Monday. Thanks Mildred.

Ann. F.

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we should all say a prayer blessing Mrs. Mildred Loving of the Loving v. Virginia case. She passed last Friday.

 
At Monday, May 05, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

I cannot think of a better named couple than the Lovings....
and now they are together again..

A moment of silence for ALL who would step out of the box, and live in the way their heart and soul dictates, not other people.

 
At Tuesday, May 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara the black church is so full of crap that it isn't funny and it is so sad that it will be one of the reasons that a black man and woman may not win the presidency and first lady because of it .Just think we have the highest illegitamcy rate at 70% and fill up the pews on Sunday.......Bougieman my alias ....love your site and the pictures that go along with it

 
At Tuesday, May 06, 2008 , Blogger LaShelle said...

Sara, LOL at loud at the bw thinking exercise is a 'dirty' word. I personally know church going bw who chide me for watching my weight,(I prefer to stay a size six) and keeping my appearance well put together. Church going bw are the first one to bark at me,'you must don't like yourself. I'm happy the way I am). I tell them I don't do it for a man; I do it for me.
Like I've said on other sites, I let the black church a few years ago, because I didn't want my daughters growing up to be the kind of women I grew up with. Who to this day live sad empty lives. The best advice I've gotten was,'don't want on God and man to do for you what you can do for yourself'. It's what I teach my daughters.

 
At Tuesday, May 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

someone posted a while back that female artist need to start having non-black men in their videos. well lately ive been checkin out the mtv jam/playlist station and saw two videos 1 from rhianna "Take a Bow", & janet jackson "Rock wit U". i think we're gettin there.

 
At Wednesday, May 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, this is exactly why I do not and have not been involved in the black church. It's all a game and a scam to me full of manipulating the lives of black women. It disgusts me and it's a practice that is sick to me.

 
At Wednesday, May 07, 2008 , Blogger Zabeth said...

@ Sky

Also Rihanna features a non-black love interest in her video for "Unfaithful." She is seemingly unapologetic about her attraction to non-black men. Good for her.

 
At Thursday, May 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Zabeth

omg i forgot about that video. as of lately since im off from school i started checkin in on some videos, i remember awhile back (november) whenever i watched a rap video, it went something like this, a lot of hispanic women, 3-4 black women, and 1 white girl, in the one video. i remember saying to myself by next year it'll be almost white girls they're chasing after. now...today...im more than right, almost every rap video ive seen starred a white woman and asians included. the black woman was in the back scene. check out r.kelly's "hairbraider", lil' wayne lollipop, snoop dogg "life of da party", and that's just few. to many videos to name.

however i find it funny, once i realize a hip-hop is showing i go "okay how many white girls are in this one" and start laughing once i start counting. but i also notice black women who would star in these hip-hop videos are gravitating to rock videos for instance Seether's video "Fake it" and i say more power to them.

but the saddest thing about is the videos that are geared toward black girl teens. i was watching a video from Chris Brown called "Forever"(check it out) in this song he's proclaiming his love for this girl, but the video shows him going after a white girl. in another video from a new artist ryan isley(something like that) he has a song called "Diamond Girl", in the beginning of the video the girl is arguing and pullin on his clothes about something, and he leaves an engagement ring for her on the tv, the woman is white.

i want for rhianna and janet and many other black female artist to feature more non-black men in their videos. and i want more rock stars starring us in their videos. i can't imagaine being a young black girl this day in age w/ having even BET telling you "your'e no longer needed".


okay back to the topic at hand, sorry about that.

 
At Thursday, May 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

o another thing i forgot to add, in the seether video "fake it" it's quite clear that the camera loved the two black women in the video, you hardly notice the white girls in it.

 
At Thursday, May 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with some of the things you said. Especially about leaving a church that is robbing you blind. But I don't agree with your statement that, "Life is just too short to wait for anything or anyone! I believe we are given common sense for a reason." I took it as you saying, "Life is too short to wait on God," which is morally wrong to the Christian faith. Sorry. I agree with a lot that you said but I will wait on Christ in whatever area of my life he wants me to have patience. And if you can't wait on God to deliver the man that you pray for, why pray for him? Why believe in a God that you can't wait on? God does not work on your time, he works on his own time. If someone can't understand that then maybe they need to reevaluate why they believe in a god at all.

 
At Thursday, May 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares about stupid rap videos? They are HORRIBLE for the perception of Blacks, specifically African Americans, everywhere. As a Black female, not seeing Black girls in rap videos does not upset me in the least. If the White or Asian girls want to shake their butts half naked around stupid men then so be it..Rap is just so detrimental for the progression of Blacks. Like, honestly..

 
At Friday, May 09, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Of course I was not saying not to wait on God! You took it as you took it. But that was not the intention of the statement at all. I just believe that God helps those who help themselves. If you ask God to help you find a new job but refuse to go to interviews, I can guarrantee you that you will NOT get a new job! All I am saying is that we must be proactive and show God we are really willing to invest in our own good....

 
At Saturday, May 10, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was speaking to a guy who was born in Nigeria; but, he came to the U.S. when he was 14 yrs. old. (My friend is about to graduate from Xavier University in New Orlelans with a degree in Pharmacy...Good for you, E.) And, I had told him that a Nigerian lady online had said that she could not bring home a guy if he was not college educated.
And, the Nigerian guy agreed with her because as they see it her family has spent alot of money on her education and teaching her their cultural values. I think many Asian families feel the same way. Unfornately, many of those families are obsessed with skin color...the fairer the better.
So, the Nigerians' comments made me think about some of the things I was told as a child and as a young female. One of the things I remember was marry for love. Do not worry about the money...the money will come.
Not so lol...many time the money does not come and the woman ends up divorce and with a child to support and forever trying to catch up to that elusive "American Dream".
Alot of our thought processes came from our grandparents who grew in a more segregated time. And, our grandparents thoughts were to protect their family by making statements such as the one above. Unfortunately, many of our grandparents did not foresee a time when black people could marry other race people and become President of the United States...
silly now, right? However, many of us who were raised by our grandparents still live by some of those antiquated ideas. I agree with those who say WE MUST TRY HARD TO THINK OUT SIDE THE NORM. Try doing somethings differently you might be surprised by the out come. Remember, to finish your University Education and or get a profitable skill.
Happy Mothers' Day!
Ann F.

 
At Sunday, May 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

to annon. and sara

yeah i totally agree that im glad that black girls are no longer being demeaned in the videos, but the thing is these other women in the videos aren't either. when black women were in the videos we were nothing but booty shaking, lollipop licking,credit card sliding down are *bleep*. but now with these girls they just get to sit there and smile and have the wind blowing in there hair. why couldn't we look just as beautiful? why couldn't we be protrayed that way?

and personally for me i wouldn't go as far as ban all rap. i say be selective in it and the majority of people are including myself. Common and Kanye thus far have sold more albums & have more longevity than these other guys because people are sick of the same 'ol same 'ol. i have also started listening to certain r&b music and listening to a little more soul/old school. once the music industry sees that people aren't buying into the fast lane rap music they'll change it.

please don't think im discrediting either one you ladies are saying,cause i do agree, just to a certain extent.

 
At Thursday, May 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE: black women and the church--
T.D. Jakes told black women on his t.v. show not to say anything when they see a bm with a ww...but take note that he didn't dare tell bw that we should consider dating white men as well.

 
At Thursday, May 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

why aren't these black male preachers telling bm in the community to marry the mom of their kids and stay and raise their children?

 
At Thursday, May 15, 2008 , Blogger bwdb said...


"RE: black women and the church--
T.D. Jakes told black women on his t.v. show not to say anything when they see a bm with a ww...but take note that he didn't dare tell bw that we should consider dating white men as well.


Or for the BM not to harass BW who choose to date outside the race...Many times what is NOT said kinda hangs there like a lead balloon, huh?



Anonymous said...
why aren't these black male preachers telling bm in the community to marry the mom of their kids and stay and raise their children?"


Do I hear crickets yet again? Now, now, there can be no talk of BM manning up...Let's just regurgitate books, videos and conferences about BW blaming themselves, jumping thru hoops,and yet sacrificing more...Then MAYBE the breakthru will come!

 
At Thursday, May 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"RE: black women and the church--
T.D. Jakes told black women on his t.v. show not to say anything when they see a bm with a ww...but take note that he didn't dare tell bw that we should consider dating white men as well."

Interesting and why not say something? Although, I realized it probably isn't my business. However, T. J. probably knows there is a very small percentage of bw who will dare to date out...so why mention it and anger bm.
Bw should be the ones who worry less about what the average bm will say since it is the average bw who heads their homes.
Ann F.

 
At Tuesday, May 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ann F said:

"Unfornately, many of those families are obsessed with skin color...the fairer the better."


I dont think many nigerian women are really that bothered by this as they have no problem dating white men or any other non-black men. Infact, when you think of it, nigerian/ghanian and kenyan women are the most likely to date non-black men as compared to other black women(Af-Am included, dont know about carribean women).


speaking of african ir, if I remeber correctly, I think there was a protest not long ago done by some black men in cameroon(?) over white men marrying the local women in record numbers LOL! even going on STRIKE and what not!...so they do love us?(aaww) why do they act like they dont?.... or is it because there no white women available for them to marry? :-) well we can definitely see examples from their american and carribean 'brothers' on how crazy they are over white women, it just so happens that the shoe is on the other foot when it comes to ir in african countries, and most cant take the heat.(shame)

anyway, like I mentioned earlier, In ALL the african countries the highest interracial marriages are between BW/WM. Im even embarrased to admit that in one particular country with a population of less than 11m, there were more than 250,000 BW/non-black man ir marriages on record so far (I think)and no more than 2,000 BM/non-black women! (really really sad...*tear*). But anyywho, we are now having more and more white women settling in african countries, so maybe with time the numbers will even out? Guess will have to wait and see...

p.s: for anyone wondering, no I dont think this is a 'competition' of who has the highest ir, I was merely comparing the numbers thats all! ^_^

 
At Tuesday, May 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey anonymous on 5/20/08 I believe I was referring to Indian people and not Nigerian people. However, I agree with you when you said, "There are probably not alot of ww for the Cameroonian men to date." Also, I believe Carribean females have no problem marring another race man.
Ann F.

 
At Wednesday, May 21, 2008 , Blogger nana said...

Ann F:..
"I believe I was referring to Indian people and not Nigerian people."

I thought the highest interracial marriage in the carribean was between Black women and INDIAN men? especialy in trini, jamaica and barbados?? (or have I got this all wrong?)

My 'boyfriend' is indian (coincedence? :-)..anyway, for some funny reason, am asked out more by indian guys than black - not that I mind, I think they are seriously HOT!...oh forgot arab guys, they ask me out alot as well, especially north africans, lebanese and saudi guys! SMOKING HOT!

Despite what the media says, I dont think that many indian guys are any more colour struck than black men! But with chinese,japanese etc men? thats another issue - I think out of ALL the races out there, these men really take the biscuit when it comes to being colour struck!...not that I really care, am not really attracted to them anyway LOL!

Has anyone noticed how when most guys see you with your non-black boyfriend, they all seem to come of the woodwork and start hitting on you? Ever since I've been with my boyfriend I've had LOADS of indian guys ask me out (as well as other races of course)...which I dont mind, dont really discriminate, as long as you are TALL,DARK and HANDSOME you good to go! skin colour is irrelevant! :-)

I only wish we had latino guys here as well *sigh*...I guess you cant always have everything eh? Anyone in a relationship with a latino guy? or dated one in the past?..would move to america just for these guys - holy shmolly! :-)

*whew* I think I'll stop right there before I get carried away again! ;)

 
At Wednesday, May 21, 2008 , Blogger nana said...

Hey Ann F

forgot to mention that the 5/20/08 anon is me!...just incase you get confused! :)

 
At Wednesday, May 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, I believe Carribean females have no problem marring another race man.
Ann F.
________________________________

Ann,

You are very correct, Carribean women have no problem dating or marrying outside of their race. I am of Carribean decent(Jamaican) and I don't remember being discouraged when it came to interracial unions or being indoctrinated into the mindset of "black men only". I never felt that I had to suspicious of wm or that they wouldn't or didn't find me attractive. My family has always known of my preference for wm, since I was a teenager. It wasn't a big deal(even to male the members of my family), as long as, any man I chose treated me well and with respect.

The Carribean culture is very diverse. If anyone has even visited Jamaica you would see Jamaicans of various races(Asian, Indian, White, etc.). So, that may account for our openness to interracial unions.

I also want to add that, slavery did exist in the Carribean but for some reason the wounds are not as deep, as they are for AAs. It maybe because Jamaica's population is mostly composed of people of African decent or that we received our freedom due to a very violent uprising, many years before AAs. I have to do some research on this.

 
At Thursday, May 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster that said that thing about the Nigerian lady that posted online. Even if you were talkin about Indians, I completely believe you when you said it was a Nigerian lady.

I myself am Nigerian, and believe me, no Nigerian girl with common sense would bring home a mann that just wasn't up to par. The culture is different.

What I'm going to say next may offend some people, but just take note. I met a white girl here in UK, who is on transfer for one year from a Uni in America. She actually made the following comment about her campus in US:

"The way to know the difference between an African-American girl and an African girl is in their taste in men. And their dress sense."

She was of the opinion that the African females in her school were far more picky when it came to dating. And funnily enough, they were only ever single by choice. So the question is, what do these African girls know that the Af-am ones don't.

If this white girl noticed it, don't you think men do as well. And on to the dressing thing. She said that when she saw me, she knew I was Nigerian. I asked her how. She said 'cuz I dressed high fashion. Now this is someone I barely even knew, saying all these things.

My af-am sisters need to start paying attention to themselves first and foremost. YOU are the most important ones. For so long you have been forced to take care of everyone else while ignoring yourselves. The situation in most African countries is the same, as regards women, but it is a different scope. In Africa, it is more about discrimination and chauvinism. In America, especially in the black community, it is about disrepect.

Sisters, please you are too good for that!

 
At Tuesday, June 03, 2008 , Blogger Zindzi (Da Carter 3) said...

Ok, I realize that you probably just take random pics from the internet for your site, but I gotta stop you on pic number 1. That's my Pastor, Otis Moss III, and believe me, he has NOTHING but the sistas best interests in mind. In fact, our former pastor, the much maligned Jeremiah Wright, actually encouraged a woman I know to marry a white man and the couple are well-loved and respected in the church.

My two pastors are NOTHING like T.D. and Eddie Long who are simply looking to make money off of the pain and suffering of BW.

 
At Tuesday, June 03, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Zindzi, No references were made about any particular pastor. I do not even know who this pastor is. I simply needed a picture to go with the article. Nothing negative was said about your pastor.....

 
At Wednesday, June 04, 2008 , Blogger Zindzi (Da Carter 3) said...

I realize that. Its just that when you attach someone's likeness to something, people might think you're talking about that person.

 

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