Saturday, July 19, 2008

The Indoctrination....

















Young black women are taught to follow a strict code of conduct in the BC, and punished severely if
they dare venture outside the bounds of presumed 'normalcy'....

The following story demonstrates the tremendous fortitude it takes for one to resist the pressure to 'conform' in the BC. Even people who do not care for you will expect you to meet their expectations and live your life in a way that benefits them... The fight for the souls of our young women in strongly underway, and we must do everything in our power to support them in their quest for autonomy, strength, and resilience to resist the indoctrination and covet self love...

( beep! beep! Beep! ) Cassandra rolled over in bed and sighed. That was the 3rd time the alarm had gone off and she had not gotten up. She knew exactly what the problem was. Ever since her school had been found to have dangerous levels of radon gas, She had known this day was coming. She, and all the other students from Westwood high now had to go to Eastside. Just the thought of it made her cringe. People in Westwood were not wealthy, but they were comfortable, sociable, and friendly. They had all known each other forever, and all felt comfortable around each other. Eastside was another world altogether. It was very much an avoided place by the Westwood residents. It was dirty, strewn with garbage, and desperately poor people who had given up hope, and obviously did not want anyone else to have any either. Every resident of Westwood who could afford it, black, white or other was sending their kids to Morgan West. But at a cost of 1000.00 per month per student, Cassandra knew her mom could not afford it. Her father's pension and life insurance paid for the necessities and some comforts but not that much! And ever since he had died in the line of duty, they had learned what skimping and saving was all about. And 1000.00 a month for school was not in the cards at all....

All this ran quickly though her mind as she bathed and got ready for school. Why did she have to go to Eastside the rest of the year? It was so unfair! There were nothing but hood rats in that damn school and everyone knew it. She brushed her long hair so hard, her head began to throb. Then grabbing her school bag, she headed toward the steps. Her big brother was waiting for her at the staircase. He gave her an encouraging smile, but there was something behind it she could not put her finger on. "You'll be alright sis,-you call me if you have any trouble, you hear?" Cassie looked up into his handsome brown face and recognized the 'something' as fear. He was scared of what they would do to her at this raggedy school.
Cassie gave him a falsely confident smile and hugged him before heading down. He was heading back to the military in one week, she was not about to have him go back being worried about her.
Downstairs, her sister, Madeline was pretending to eat, but Cassie could tell she was chomping at the bit. Maddie had never liked Westwood, she found it far too confining. She didn't think it was safe and secure like Cassie did. She found it boring and stale. She could not wait to see Eastside, it was written all over her face....

30 minutes later, Maddie bound from the SUV excitement all over her face. While it was all Cassandra could do to make her feet move toward the tall, dark, ugly building. Her mom smiled at her gently. "Baby, it'll be ok -just relax and take it slow, ok?" Cassie nodded and headed into the fray...
She found the class without too much trouble, and handed the slip to the teacher. Then she steeled herself as the teacher announced her to everyone. The class was racially mixed, mostly black and Hispanic, with a sprinkling of Asian and white. Cassandra's nerves were jumping around like live wires. Could the teacher just give her the slip so she could sit down! Everyone was staring like they never saw pretty, dark skinned, middle class girl before. She felt like a science experiment with everyone looking at her. The teacher handed her the slip back. but in her haste to take it, Cassandra dropped her new books.

"um... looks like somebody was out drankin las night!"
some boy drawled. Everyone laughed. Cassandra felt her face redden, and was very grateful her dark skin kept anyone else from seeing it.
" Maybe if she didn't think she was so damn cute, she could make it to her seat without droppin sh*t " A boy in the back added.
"yeah, y'all know them Westwood girls think they better'n us! -we need to make her ass feel right at home by showin her , she ain't sh*t"
Two boys left their seats under the guise of helping Cassandra, but instead they bent and tried to look under her plaid skirt, as she tried to gather her books. The class laughed harder.
"That's enough!" Mrs Regetti waved her arms as she struggled to get control of the class. She ordered the two boys back to their seat and shot Cassandra a sympathetic look. The way one looks at a lamb among a pack of wolves.
Cassandra bent down to get her books, willing herself not cry in front of all these ignorant people. She had not done a damn thing to them and they were just attacking her for no reason! A shadow fell over her as she struggled to grab all the books. Slowly she looked up into the bluest eyes she had ever seen. A tall white boy knelt down and reached under the nearest desk and grabbed the remainder of the books. His dark hair and startling blue eyes reminded her of Christopher Reeves in superman. He was gorgeous! She was lost in his beauty for just a moment until a girl nearby snapped " what is you starrin at? - you want his arm to fall off?" Cassandra shook herself from her reverie and took the book from his outstretched hand. His smile was confident and assuring. "first days are hard huh?" Cassandra sighed. "you don't know the half of it!" She answered. He rose up easily, then taking her hand lifted her to his side.
"well, I'm Paul, and if you need any help or whatever- give me a call ok." To his astonishment, Cassandra let her eyes rove boldly over his physique and then come back to rest on his handsome face. "you're last name wouldn't happen to be walker, would it? " she asked, a coquettish tone in her voice. His eyes widened in surprise, and his smile was almost laughing. "and to think I thought you were shy!" He shook his head, as he guided her to the vacant chairs in the back.
Cassandra followed him to the back of the room, ignoring the furious glances and under breath remarks that followed her. Eastside wasn't looking so bad after all!!! she thought smugly. As soon as she sat down, the girl on her left side, turned to her in shock.
"I can't believe you're disrespecting our good black men like that by flirting with that...that white boy! Are you nuts!"
Cassandra looked around the class letting her eyes come back to rest on the girl. "what good black men?" she asked simply. "The ones who were trying to look under my skirt or the ones who made fun of me because I dropped my freaking books? - which ones were GOOD?- enlighten me" The girl pursed her lips in anger and turned away....

When the bell rang, Cassandra quickly gathered up her books. OMG! I can't wait to get out of here! she thought, happily. ' This school is stifling-and not just from the lack of air conditioning!' Paul slowly gathered his books and headed for the door. No one was more surprised than him when the beautiful new girl tapped his wide shoulder. He swung around to her lovely brown eyes, but he was also fully aware of the 25 pair of surprised eyes in the background watching everything. Remember you said if I needed help to call? " she was smiling as she swung her shiny hair back, completely oblivious to everyone watching. "yeah, I remember" he murmured, fighting with his lips not to smile at her. His lips won. She was so adorable like a chocolate barbie doll.
"well, I need help" she was saying. "I just don't know where any of my classes are and.... well...will you help me?" He nodded. "Of course I will, - I told you I would -didn't I?"
He turned to exit the class. Cassandra moved in next to him and reached for his arm. An audible gasp of shock ran though the starring class as she actually took his arm. "she tryin t'get killed! " a girl named Mica whispered to her friend, Stacey. Stacey nodded, wishing silently she had the guts to do it, and starring at Cassandra with a mixture of admiration and envy.....

End of chapter one of : The Indoctrination

I think the indoctrination of young black girls happens from a very young age. When young women are taught to be compliant and docile, It dulls their sense of self rule. It is extremely damaging to for young girls to be taught to rely on the judgement of others outside of themselves. Most people do not have the best interest of these young ladies at heart at all. And are only trying to fit them into their own agendas, as human assets. It seems this indoctrination begins with teaching a young woman that she cannot rely on her own eyes to tell her what is before her. She is taught to see through rose colored glasses or (magical thinking -as Evia calls it) Self abnegation becomes the order of the day. She is told repeatedly that she is not seeing what she thinks she is seeing, and that others have her interest at heart. She is taught not to believe her lying eyes. She is not seeing misogyny, she is seeing self expression. She is not seeing self hatred being manifested, dark women are simply not as pretty as light ones. She is not seeing a double standard, she is seeing black men be men. Yet she herself is repeatedly told to stay within her race, because that is what a good black woman does. Even the females around her are likely to berate or mistreat her if she tries to buck the trend. They don't want her to have excitement and betterment if they can't! Everyone seems to be telling her she is wrong, she is too demanding of her 'brothers' she should cut them some slack, stay true , wait and pray-and things will turn around. Her discerning facility becomes dull from lack of use and soon ceases to work at all. As she reaches adolescence she is likely to encounter two roads. This will either make or break her life. If she chooses the road of her own consciousness, and decides to go for what she wants in her life be it career, men, a style of life, etc. She will be labeled a sell out and ostracized emotionally from the community (Good Riddance). If she chooses to abide by the status quo and try to be happy in spite of horrendously marginal opportunities and potential mates, then she will be uplifted and rewarded with pats on the back, but never help in time of need. And since she has set herself up as the community mule, she will be given a greater and greater load until the cumbersome weight has broken her back (spirit). I think it is imperative that we catch young girls early and teach them to follow THEIR OWN MINDS, AND THEIR OWN PATHS, and that in the immortal words of Shakespeare 'To thine own self -be true, Then thou canst be false to any man!' I think it's time we taught young women to fight for their right to live as they wish, to love as they wish, and be the person they wish to be ....

188 Comments:

At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm at the salon reading this on my phone and trying not to leap up and cheer. So true, so sad. Way to call out the disease that is blind conformity. I am a light-skinned bw with long hair and I 100% relate to this story. In hs, one of my best friends, a wm, asked me to the prom. Of course I said yes. He was part of the crew I hung out with every day. Yet a bm friend rolled his eyes and said to me with pure DISGUST "you should've waited to see if a black guy was going to ask you.". Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaa! WTF?! He really buys into the myth that bw are bm's chattel. Funny how bm always invoke slavery's painful legacy to discourage us from exercising free will, when it is bm who try to control us.

Btw, for context, the bm friend has 2 kids by 2 women, no job, lives at home, in and out of the police station but I'M the one whose behavior is shameful? I'm not the one. Read a book, DBRs, read a real f___ing book.

Again, this blog has made my day!!!

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post Sara, that almost describes my life. I'm in college now, and my bf John is too. I have had black men call me b*tch hoe and sell out for going out with him. But we are very happy and plan to marry when we are both out of school. I'm so glad I did not listen to the programming going on in the bc. They (the BC) tried to force me to be the gf of some loser named Tyrone. The girl who eventually succombed to the pressure is pregnant with her 4th child by this loser. He is a drug dealer who is constantly in jail and will not support his kids. This girl is very bright and wanted to go to school to be somebody. Now she is stuck with 4 kids (yes, I realize she put herself in this position) But now she is alone and people constantly pressure her to find the money to take this loser's kids to see him in jail, when she can barely feed the kids! She was at my mom's house this weekend begging for food for her kids. She was crying. She looked so young and lost. She said she wished she was me,or ANYBODY else and that she wished she could do it again. She would run when she saw Ronee (Tyrone) coming. She said he threw her birth control away and refused to no for an answer when it came to sex. Now she's having her forth child, and the same people who pressured her continually to go out with him, turned their backs when he slapped her around, hid drugs in her apt,and told the police they were hers! Luckily for her the police did not buy it. They told her to leave this loser before he got her killed. She has but now she must struggle to take care of 4 kids all alone. And Ronee and his family have been telling the neighborhood drug dealers that she's a rat! Her troubles go on and on... I thank God I escaped. Thank you so much for trying to save every sista you possibly can....

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Loved the story Sara, when do we get to hear part 2?

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good for you, Renee! God, it's apalling that a black woman with a mind and the audacity to use it is considered a race traitor. This blog and evia's have me seriously considering starting one of my own. The more voices calling for love and protection of black women and children, the better!

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why the second blog Evia? Why the fake name?

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Anon, you are sooo silly. Anyone can see I am NOT EVIA! I don't write nearly as well as she does! But I will def. take that as a compliment that you compared me to her....thanks

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Blogger Felicity said...

Sara a very good story. I think now it is time for bw to marry who they want to be with. Don't listen to man, not even some of the preachers, read what the word of God tells you. I have come to realise that we were brought up in a movement which was so full of lies and it has destroyed many women. My prayer is that bw would wake up and some of them are doing and marry a man of quality whatever race he may be.

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

Anonymous said...
Why the second blog Evia? Why the fake name?
...................

Why are you being anonymous, Anonymous? Why are you hiding? You obviously are a reader of these types of blogs.

sigh.

Yes Sara, Evia does write beautifully and fluently, hence it could be only a compliment if someone thinks you are her...even though it is patently obvious you are TWO different people

Another thing....why on earth is it so hard to believe that two (just for an example...There are thousands and thousands of us who think this way) BW who do not know each other, could have similar idealogies? Evia has NEVER been alone in her thoughts and actions as a incredibly smart BW...she is just kinder in that she shares solid, prudent, valuable information, AS DOES Sara...IOW, information for those who know there is "something rotten in the state of Denmark"... (not casting aspersions on that country..just using the expression)

Now as for the Indoctrination...well, what can I say. I am fortunate in that because of my background, I was NEVER indoctrinated...but I saw it happening (although I did not quite know how to frame it at the time.) In order to live the life you know you should live, you HAVE to take chances..that includes running the risk of being EXPELLED from school because you are not "attending" the classes..lol.

I was "expelled" from school right away...and it was okay, because I have never fit in with anyone who would seek to limit my view of the world...My Creator, and myself are the ones who craft my destiny....not the so called BC..(rofl at the thought of that)

SO Sara, what happens in Part 2...you make me want to bring out my "unseen chapters"...and I can do it anytime I want to..because I am a free woman, and I do what I want..and I GUARANTEE all detractors will be lined up to read my every word....they always do.

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara,

As always, I enjoy your blog and what you have to say. I haven't commented in a while because everytime I get ready to, somebody says exactly what I am going to say!

This blog is so true and so sad. As the mother of a young woman, I know the fight is on for us to protect our young ladies from those that mean them harm...by any means necessary. And I have said this here before and will say it again, since the young BM today have ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for BW, it is my duty as a BW and a mother to teach her that if she has to look beyond BM for a mate, then so be it. This is true for not only young BW, but a lot of older ones as well.

Sara, please remember, for every 5 negative comments you get, there are 50 positive comments out here; We got your back.

Stay Strong!

Peace and Blessings,
Ann C.

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

delish, I wish you would1! I've been telling you that forever. I love those stories and went through withdrawals when they were suddenly gone. By all means-bring them out!

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Laundry is stacked up, house is in disarry, kids ate cereal for dinner, all because I can't stop reading!!! LOL!

I was raised outside of Washington, DC in the 70/80's by wonderful, college educated and rather "hippy" black parents. They sacrificed to send my sister and I to small, private schools. They had Joan Baez, Jim Croce, the Beatles, Simon & Garfunkle blasting all the time. I was raised to appreciate all types of music (not just R&B) to speak proper English, to read, travel, ect. They shelterd me from alot of things. So when I begged to go to public school in
9th grade, I got the shock of my life. The school I was zoned for was primarily black in a rougher part of town. At my new school I discovered I was nerdy, weird and not "black" enough. Black people do not listen to Guns and Roses or Barry Manilow (well I was pretty nerdy!) black people do not speak so "funny" and on and on.....I went home crying nearly daily. My parents told me over and over to be true to myself. Hard lessons, but I learned them well. I am so grateful that I was blessed with parents who taught me to be ME. The BC does not define me.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger TC said...

What disturbs me about this story is a) it's on the money and b) the teacher, who should've assigned the boys detention, told them to take their seats. How many blacks have the same reaction to that behavior? Too many. In the past year I discovered my BS meter needed to be reset on a lower setting. If you're in a position of authority, don't put up with crap. Today I told the guards not to let people on my floors wearing "Stop Snitching" gear or sagging pants.

Renee, the woman you discussed needs to leave town immediately. See if the police are willing to help. If they need a place to stay, take her to the furthest YWCA. There are programs to help women escape abusive situations. Did she finish high school with decent grades? If yes she can attend a college that provides family housing. Just don't let her give up. And for those who know women in abusive situations where men dump their Pills, tell them get an IUD.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Renee, that story is SO sad. I am SOOOOO glad that I have NEVER bought into the BC's lies and I am als o glad that I never felt loyalty to the black community OR to black men...and I'm 18.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger Halima said...

Her discerning facility becomes dull from lack of use and soon ceases to work at all.


Sarah this is so key.

so many bw are in a place of absolute confusion over the most basic decisions, and this can be traced right back to the community overriding of their commonsense, time and time again to train them to be 'mules'. Eventually they become seperated from their basic needs and forget how to instinctly fulfill them (an instinct even cave men had and used).

Many bw dont even know how to think in the mere commonsense way about their issues and finding solutions. this is why i have taken to telling bw 'when you feel hungry, you eat'. this is me trying to get them back into the idea of 'attuning' to and responding to their needs on that very instinctive/basic level because many bw have lost this ability as a a result of their community.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

TC, thank you so much for the wonderful advice you gave that young lady. Renee please don't forget to give it to her. We need to start a coalition of bw helping bw, I was thinking something like a woman's network where people could go to find resouces, or what they should do in life situations because halima is right. For many bw their instincts and commonsense are no longer functioning due to override by the community time and time again.....

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

sara love the story, how come you don't write books? Remember Evia said don't give your talents away. You have alot of talent,and you are a really good writer. You should definitely write books, I want to read them desparately.....

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went to a function last night with my girlfriends and there was a bm/ww couple in front, back and on both sides of us. It is extremely common. We were not even paying them any attention and I am not sure my girlfriends noticed.

Also, with one of those couples, there was this one black guy who starred at us the whole time and brushed up against me (little punk). I think that he was bothered with the fact that we were having a good time and not paying him any attention. The only reason that I even noticed this couple is because the guy went out of his way to get in front of us. Some of them hate when you dont pay them any attention.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

"I can't believe you're disrespecting our good black men like that by flirting with that white boy! "

do some black women actually say things like that. for goodness' sake!!

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

crazy, huh, mary? and 100% true. i've been told that and a LOT worse.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

huh! Mary are aware that a young black girl was recently beat up by her fellow bm friends for saying a white football player was cute! Yes people really say things like that every day. I know someone who had to take her sister to the emergency room because her bm babydaddy beat her up, and the black man hospital orderly had the nerve to ask her "how could you come in here-you know their going to go lock that poor brother up! -You b*tches have no loyalty anymore! WTH! unbeleivable, but he actually told her that. People expect things from bw, they would never even think to ask of non black women, like unfailing, unfaltering loyalty even if your very life is in jepardy...

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, you are telling the truth. I was getting off the train one day, and I saw a pretty light skinned bg and her white bf. They were getting off laughing and talking and minding their own business. Anyway as soon as they started up the street, a group of bm began to walk behind them and proceeded to call the girl a light skinned b*tch! They started screaming about how she was disrespecting good black men and that she was light and pretty and could have a bm if she wanted one! Mind you, they ignored me (I'm dark and average looking) but they were pissed as hell that the light pretty girl was with a wm. He had to threaten them with the police to make them leave. I wonder if they would have even noticed if it had been me....

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love the story so far, Sara, and I can't wait for part two. Renee, that story is so sad, and I hope you pass on tc's advice to the girl. gigi, I think they would have noticed you if you were with a white man. It's kind of like the little kid who doesn't want the toy until someone else takes interest in it.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW, great story sara, can't wait for 2nd part. this is my favorite blog, it's the only one with bus. tips, beauty tips, pictures, stories and commentary. It's always a treat coming here. I know you work hard and just wanted you to know how much we appreciate it....

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

thanks lyra,
gigi, hon, I agree with angryzen they def. would have noticed you if you had been with a wm. They would have screamed at you the same way. I'm glad her boyfriend made them leave. It's funny how the claim not to care and then have a fit if we step out with someone else. Like one of the readers was saying that the bm kept glancing back at her wanting her to get upset about him and his ww, but he probably would have talked about her like a dog if she had been with a wm, because we're not supposed to have minds of our own....

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

sara, do you have a link to the story about the black girl who was beaten up by her bm "friends" for talking about a white football player? i want to read it and send to some people who could use a little enlightening.

(and i'm saying a little prayer for her right now.)

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree with everyone who said they would have attacked you too, gigi. haters are magnanimous that way!

back in college, my white bf went to the movies and the black ticket-taker guys practically threw our stubs at us, glared at me, then started murmuring behind our backs. we just kept walking (but i was pissed) and my bf seeing my reaction yelled "I LOVE YOU, BABY!" dipped me, and kissed me right there in the lobby.

we had a good laugh about it when we got in the theater. when i start to get angry at those types, i think of that story and remember to laugh.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Exactly steph, you have to learn to turn it into a private joke between the two of you so that it becomes a love anchor instead of more stress that can pull you apart. (think I'll blog about that soon) anyway, your man handled it perfectly. As for the story, I read it on Evia's let me go back and look. Anyone who knows where to find the story about the young lady beaten up for saying the football player was cute-please give us the link... thanks

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"you have to learn to turn it into a private joke between the two of you so that it becomes a love anchor instead of more stress that can pull you apart. (think I'll blog about that soon)"

PLEASE DO! I CAN'T WAIT TO READ IT AND PASS IT ON!

i wish i had a blog like this when i was in hs and stuck in an intolerant home. you are doing SO MUCH GOOD, sara. i know you know that already, but i don't believe in "too much praise" for anyone who's trying to save, improve, and expand bw's lives.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

thanks so much steph, that means alot....

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an excellent post Sara!!

I can't say I wasn't indoctrinated, it was done subliminally by the BC. I was never told anything in my family (my parents never taught me to judge ppl by their race), but as a child I heard adults speak at school, and then you have the relatives who tell you things without your parents knowing. Then you have the things you read as a teenager and the messages in movies and the reactions of most BM (relatives, friends) anytime a BW talks about or dates non-BM, or anytime they see a BW/non-BM couple on TV, you hear the petty comments (speaking of movies, have you seen the trailer of Tyler Perry's new movie "the family that preys"? If you see the trailer it's the stereotypical BW+WM destroying the BM scenario, another subliminal way of indoctrinating).

So even if it's not done at home, even if you CHOSE not to indoctrinate them, the minds of the kids are shaped by tons of messages everyday and if you don't ASK your own children about certain things you'll never know. That's why asking questions to these kids about what they think of (insert subject related to race/BC), especially these young black girls, is important. Cause somebody might have told them things and indoctrinated them and you have no idea. That's how it happened for me and my parents and I didn't communicate a lot (no deep convos about touchy subjects) until I was like 19. Indoctrination CAN be "passive" and/or "subliminal".

I know someone who had to take her sister to the emergency room because her bm babydaddy beat her up, and the black man hospital orderly had the nerve to ask her "how could you come in here-you know their going to go lock that poor brother up! -You b*tches have no loyalty anymore!"

WTF!!!!!!! OMG!!!! Please, this cannot be real, this cannot be real!! This and Renee's stories are sad.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ gigi,

I wonder if they would have even noticed if it had been me....

Like Sara and Angryzen said, You BEST believe they would have noticed you. BM never notice a darkskinned sister until they're with a non-BM, all of a sudden they WANT her. Haven't you seen how they insult Serena Williams? How about WHOOPI? A darkskinned friend of mine, she's gorgeous, and she doesn't attract BM being as gorgeous as she is (but always attracted the non-BM). THE MOMENT she dated her WM THEY ALL instantly noticed her, telling her that she should be with a black man (I won't even list the pretty names she was called). They don't give dark skinned sisters the time of the day UNTIL a non-BM shows interest in her. Hang with a non-BM someday and I garantee you, you'll get noticed just as much.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post - the emancipation of women of African descent is long overdue. As Dr. King said, it's supposed to be about the content of one's character, not skin color/race. It's bitterly ironic that some American Blacks have assumed gatekeeping duties to uphold the segregationist racialism that was used to oppress Blacks (and other nonwhites). It's the 21st century - enough already.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

today i went to the movies to see the "Dark Knight"(which by the way was a very good film) well on my way in i saw a wm w/ his 4 black kids you could tell they were mixed. and i noticed some of the interracial couples were bw/wm, or bw/hispanc men. it was a great sight to see. they didn't walk around like look at me, they were totally in their own world and happy.

another thing i noticed that w/ the interracial couples/white couples they are intimate w/ each other in public, small things like holding hands, the girl leaning here head on the man's shoulder while his hands are around her shoulder during the movie. w/ the black couples there's almost no interaction. i see no holding of hands, walking side by side,or one walking a little ahead of the other, you would think they're bro. and sister but you know their together.take a look the next time you go out.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger TC said...

Please file complaints when harrassed. How can we expect respect if we do not discourage disrepect? Take note of names, descriptions, dates and times. Wait until you're safe before contacting their boss. To get real results I send e-mails and cc my district representative. If you don't know how to write a letter, check out "Shocked, Appaulled and Dismayed! How to write letters of complaints that get real results" from your library.

BTW, Wouldn't it be nice if we could reclaim a few more years of childhood for black females? Feministing referred this article on early puberty, especially in AA girls: http://colorlines.com/article.php?ID=380
It found some of it may be linked to plastics and hormones in hair care products. (Does your conditioner contain sheep placenta?) The good news? It's reversable.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

great ideas TC. If yall did not hear yet, the coffee/cream mixers in Atlanta have been overrun by angry bm. Apparently they found out that a wm was running IR mixers and were furious because several very attractive bw went to meet wm. All hell seems to have broken lose and now they are hunting the mixers out, just to cause trouble and break them up. We have got to take steps to outwit this mess. Perhaps the locations /dates could be sent by email and only members be allowed. Also, a guard at the door would not be a bad idea. (letting only listed people in) I'm just addressing it because I've received several emails re: it. So anyway, it seems like the more bw wake up the angrier and more meaner these dbrbm get. So be careful ladies, It seems it's ok for them to be with every other race under the sun, but once again you are supposed to confine yourself to only them....I don't think so, it's a new day.....

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger FunkyStarkitty50 said...

I love the information on your site!!!! Keep up the good work!!!

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

re: atlanta mixers = ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

agreeing with tc and sara, this has to stop. i live in LA and would LOVE to have something like that to attend. a friend (to whom i recommended this site... she's gonna send pics of her gorgeous ir family!) just complained to me today that she joined a bunch of ir groups where she lives (NC) but there are zero bw/wm couples in any of them, so she feels isolated.

i agree with the email list (monitored and maintained by the guy who runs the group) idea. and security. take it back to the student council days, y'all! it's only like $200 to get a cop to stand guard for an event. it sucks that it has come to that, but safety first.

sara, i would also encourage them to check amongst their membership and see if there are any business owners willing to shut down their establishment on a slow night and hold the mixer there. that way they have total control of the door and can potentially boost profits by hosting a large event on what is normally a dead night at a restaurant/bar/art gallery, etc. after all, like you say, those of us who have escaped indoctrination may as well enrich ourselves in EVERY sense.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger Halima said...

great ideas TC. If yall did not hear yet, the coffee/cream mixers in Atlanta have been overrun by angry bm. Apparently they found out that a wm was running IR mixers and were furious because several very attractive bw went to meet wm. All hell seems to have broken lose and now they are hunting the mixers out, just to cause trouble and break them up.

Jesus wept!

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a link about how Disney had to rewrite the script to it's animated film about a black princess who's love interest is a white prince ....well as you guessed the indoctrination commitee was not pleased so now she'll have another race prince

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/film-and-tv/news/disneys-subservient-black-princess-animates-film-critics-869725.html

Bougie

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post Sara. It is a reminder to all those women who have been blessed by situation and circumstance to have escaped the indoctrination of just what is out there and how blessed they really are. Because doing what is in their best interest seems as normal as breathing to those that were never indoctrinated - it is often easy to forget not everyone thinks that way and need to hear the information. Information is power and is meant to be shared. It is not clear where Renee or the unfortunate young woman she mentioned lives but there are resources out there. What is clear is she needs to get out of there fast. There are local resources that can be of assistance, most of these were developed for victims make that survivors of stalking or domestic violence, but can be utilized by any woman in crisis. First of all the word victim is wrong - because she is a survivor - wounded but surviving - however the term victim is in the legal lexicon - but that does not mean that it has to be the mindset.

For example there is an address confidentiality service that can be used in most states. "Address Confidentiality Programs were created to protect victims of stalking, domestic violence, sexual assault, and other crimes from offenders who use public records, such as voter or drivers' license registries, to locate them. These programs give a legal substitute address (usually a post office box) to use in place of their physical address; this address can be used whenever an address is required by public agencies. First class mail sent to the substitute address is forwarded to the victim's actual address." Renee's friend should speak with the police officers or the DA about getting touch with these programs or contact a local womens shelter. Here are a few that come to mind:

The Stalking Resource Center

http://www.ncvc.org/SRC/main.aspx?dbID=DB_AddressConfidentialityPrograms160
http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbID=DB_Links137

There is even a link to resources on developing a contingency plan - Suggested considerations include:

While a person may not be in imminent danger, the potential always exists; therefore, a contingency plan (a sort of "fire escape plan") may be appropriate. Knowledge of, and quick access to, critical telephone numbers, including: Law enforcement numbers and locations; Safe places (such as friends, domestic violence shelters, etc.); and Contact numbers for use after safety is secured (such as neighbors/family, attorneys, prosecutors, medical care, child care, pet care, etc.). http://www.ncvc.org/SRC/main.aspx?dbID=DB_Safety_Plan_GuideLines333

Accessible reserve of necessities, including:

Victims may wish to keep a small packed suitcase in the trunk of their car, or at another readily accessible location, for quick departure;
Reserve money may be necessary; Other necessities -- such as creditors' numbers and personal welfare items such as medication, birth certificates, social security information, passports, etc. -- should be readily available; Miscellaneous items -- like always keeping as full a tank of gas as possible in the car, backup keys for neighbors, etc. -- are practical; and If a victim has a child(ren), she/he may want to pack a few toys, books, or other special items belonging to the child. It may be ideal to have a 'to go bag' packed in a secure, alternate location and include a phone card or disposable cell phone so that the abuser cannot track her location.

"TC said... Please file complaints when harrassed. How can we expect respect if we do not discourage disrepect? Take note of names, descriptions, dates and times. Wait until you're safe before contacting their boss. To get real results I send e-mails and cc my district representative." Right on! For businesses and health care providers I would add contacting the local District Attorney or the Office of the Inspector General or Congress Person or House of Representative as part of the cc's. The resources page includes links to the Office of Attorney General for each state.

Sara said...So anyway, it seems like the more bw wake up the angrier and more meaner these dbrbm get. So be careful ladies" Very true and this includes on line and in the work place. This resource was developed to protect against stalking but the tips are applicable to any situation dealing with less than rational stable individuals.Please check out this link on how to stay safer: http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs14a-stalking.htm

Sorry for the long post and it is a bit off topic - but freeing the mind through education and information sharing is the best weapon against indoctrination.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a TV1 fan, I watched the first show of “Black Men Revealed”. Last season, it became a bw bash fest, so I stopped watching.

This time I was surprised the bm did not say one thing negative about bw, but it is still early in the season. They even complimented bw as the standard many women try to emulate. They were doing pretty good in regards to bw until the end when….. “The Indoctrination” spin begin. 5 out of the 5 men stated, “I want my daughters (nieces) to bring home and marry a black man”…period. The bm with the Phd backed off a little and made an exception for love.

Thanks to this blogs (and many others) my senses picked up on it immediately. Otherwise, I would have subconsciously absorbed it as normal and heroic when the black fathers train their daughters to only bring home men who look like them versus teaching them how to live their best life. They never mentioned what they wanted their sons to bring home or how bm are not ONLY choosing them to bring home?

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Thanks for the tips clarice. I'm going to put some on the sidebar so women can access them...
energize, girl glad you picked up on that. Notice they never mentioned who their sons might bring home because they did not care! I'm willing to bet some of them have nonblack wives and then have the nerve to try and tell their daughters who they can love! It's just more indoctrination. We have to catch young girls and let them know to go for good men regardless of color.....Because the BC will NEVER tell them....

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger Evia said...

Sara,

Re:
If yall did not hear yet, the coffee/cream mixers in Atlanta have been overrun by angry bm. Apparently they found out that a wm was running IR mixers and were furious because several very attractive bw went to meet wm. All hell seems to have broken lose and now they are hunting the mixers out, just to cause trouble and break them up. We have got to take steps to outwit this mess.

I think these DBRs-terrorists are just thrilled that the sistas here are talking about this. Talking about it will only help these impotent wannabe men to spread their "terror." So they're using your site to do this. Bw are always soft targets for bm. This is just business as usual. Real men don't fight women.

Since these wannabes don't want to try to do their best to fulfill their role as providers and protectors as real men do, they've now resorted to terrorizing "escaping" black women. Runaway black women. We's the new "runaways" y'all who've escaped the massa's plantation. I guess that soon they'll start putting out catchers to catch us runaway-black women--if they can't scare us into staying. LOL!!!! Maybe, they're trying to crawl through my window now to carry me back to a black man. Lawdy, this is too funny!

Seriously, this is "terroristic threatening" of bw and against the law. This is definitely a civil rights issue that I've talked about on my blogs several times. This is EXACTLY how racist rednecks down south tried to stop my grandparents from voting in Alabama, standing outside, threatening them. This is none other than the black KLAN y'all. Bw are guaranteed by the Constitution of the USA the right to date, love, and marry ANY man she chooses. Remember that our sista, Mildred Loving paved the way for us. Don't be terrorized by the Klan into giving your rights away, sistas.

This is a TEST, y'all. These wannabes are monitoring our Bw-IR sites. Black women must be determined to stand up for themselves OR start preparing your daughters to just be the "booty call" class of women in future generations. Black women, the most unpartnered women in this country even today, have almost become the booty call class now.

With all of the technology available, there are always many ways to communicate privately these days. For ex. for security sake, making phone calls to anyone thru the computer with SKYPE accounts (with assigned phone numbers) can be gotten for peanuts these days. So planning these mixers can be shielded. There are even easier, cheaper ways to do this and now that this is needed, if any of you have info, pls send it.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evia said...."Seriously, this is "terroristic threatening" of bw and against the law. This is definitely a civil rights issue that I've talked about on my blogs several times. Actually it fits the description of a hate crime. Granted it is individuals of the same "race" but a hate crime none the less."A hate crime is usually defined by state law as one that involves threats, harassment, or physical harm and is motivated by prejudice against someone's race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, sexual orientation or physical or mental disability." ...."The underlying criminal offenses that are designated in hate crime laws include, but are not limited to, crimes against persons like harassment, terroristic threats, assault and crimes against property like criminal trespass, criminal mischief and arson. It may also include Vandalism causing damage to a church, synagogue, cemetery, mortuary, memorial to the dead, school, educational facility, community center, municipal building, courthouse, juvenile detention center, grounds surrounding such places or personal property located within such places." One of the most prevelant examples of same-race hate crime that BW are faced with is street harrassment. This is no different. The best option to shut these folks down is document the threats and build a case to take to court and use the system to send a message that hate crimes will not be tolerated regardless of the fact that is it the same race. Recognize it is real, it is a crime and it does not have to be tolerated and silently endured.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

“it was done subliminally by the BC. I was never told anything in my family" - Lola
----------------------------
I would also guess that music has played a powerful role in bw beliefs about “black love”.How many times did you play your favorite song repeatedly as a teen not really listening to the words? I used to think Luther, Lionel, Ray, Marvin etc… (yeah, old school) were singing to me (bw) about “black love”, then come to find out they were singing to any kind of woman (or possibly man) with a heart beat. The young bf today is dancing to a much more dangerous tune now.

That photo of the bw standing alone at the party is disturbing to me.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What ya'll are saying is so true. i bet many never believed we date out. The other day I looked on a site about IR and the fear these men have is laughable. Many of them were saying things like "Not only are wm dating bw, they're dating good bw." and i can't stand when they say things like "we love you my african queens. you are the the mother of all children".Really? what were we before we started dating out? cuz the last time i check we were nothing but golddiggers, loud-mouth, fat, no good, hoes, b*tches,didn't look good as other women,etc. now we're queens of the of the earth? man get the f**k outta here.

i going where love is!

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger PVW said...

And don't forget, that when black men terrorize black women and they speak out, not only are they disloyal, but they are acting contrary to the beasts of burden they want black women to be: "You're a strong black woman, you can take it..., why are you gonna call the police on a brotha???"

There was a program on NPR on domestic violence and black women sometime earlier this year which spoke about that type of indoctrination....

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Sara and the poster that was asking for a link to the story of the black girl that was beaten up for saying she found a white-ish(he's from portugal, here in UK it's considered white) footballer attractive. I am the one that posted the story on evias site. It wasn't in the news(no surprise), but some people(mostly black) here in Britain heard about it. What really annoyed me about the story is the fact that about 50% of bm in the UK are in ir-relationships, mostly with white women. Yet they attacked this GIRL for SAYING she found Cristiano Ronaldo attractive(he's the hottest footballer in the Premier League) even though they were probably DATING non-black girls. Their hypocrisy kills me!!!

To Renee, I have to be honest. I have very little sympathy for people like that. There was nothing about this guy that screamed responsible, and as you said, she was a bright girl with a great future ahead of her, so she should have known better. I am not in the habit of making victims of people who end up suffering because of their own stupidity! Black girls need to be told from a young age that they are they primary decidrs of how their life will turn out. If we keep on letting people think that everything that went wrong in their life was because of someone else actions without telling them to take responsibility(which is what most black men tend to do), she will never get out of that state!!!

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

THANK YOU for addressing this issue Evia.

I know that Taylor-Sara, the other WM/BW IR bloggers and ALL thinking sane black women who are lovers of freedom and who recognize that black women have a constitutional RIGHT as free American citizens to love, date, marry, and procreate with whichever men WE choose regardless of "race"/nationality/color, THANK YOU.

After reading these accounts of what's taking place in Atlanta - a city with a growing rate of AIDS amongst sistas due to a SICK "brotha or nothing" (SMH) even if he's been incarcerated, jobless, a serial baby daddy, etc... mentality - it seems that growing segments of the so-called "black/AA community" has turned into a lawless, thuggish, hateful and racio-misogynistic suicide cult.

BLACK WOMEN ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO STICK WITH THIS MESS.

The ONLY obligation a human being PERIOD has, is to THEMSELVES.

Black women have a RIGHT to safely explore ALL of their options on ALL fronts including the relationship front.

Black women have the option to continue being slaves to a growingly non-existent "black community". A booty call class left with the burden of raising children - and their children's children - all alone without any assistance.

OR the option of being respected, and treated with decency. The option of being a married mother with a working committed husband who's involved in their children's lives.

Bottom line is, it's a SISTAS choice and NOBODY else's.

Certainly not the equivalent of the black KKK.

Sistas need to know about their FULL options and those who make the choice to not only survive, but to thrive and live normal lives need to be SUPPORTED AND PROTECTED.

That's why I also strongly encourage anyone with additional information on ways to ensure safety at those mixers to share.

Perhaps it would best to contact Taylor-Sara privately. That way, she could then privately distribute the information to those who have direct contact with those hosting these mixers.

Some folks are CRAZY (obviously) these days but that is NO reason whatsoever to stop this movement of black women for ONCE looking out for themselves (and their futures) for a change.

This "something new" (common sense) movement MUST not be sidetracked out of fear.

It must continue because BW have been virtual slaves to a non-reciprocating "community" for TOO DAMN LONG.

There are simply WAY too many good, family oriented, financially secure, marriage minded, decent, and respectful men out there in the GLOBAL village, to be wasting one ounce of time thinking about - or associating with - DBRBM scum.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Sky,

What ya'll are saying is so true. i bet many never believed we date out. The other day I looked on a site about IR and the fear these men have is laughable. Many of them were saying things like "Not only are wm dating bw, they're dating good bw." and i can't stand when they say things like "we love you my african queens. you are the the mother of all children".Really? what were we before we started dating out? cuz the last time i check we were nothing but golddiggers, loud-mouth, fat, no good, hoes, b*tches,didn't look good as other women,etc. now we're queens of the of the earth? man get the f**k outta here.

i going where love is!


YES!!!! Go and STAY there. What they (BM) don't understand, and a lot of non-BM say this, in spite of the bad rap we get (mainly from our own "community") they take notes of how we face adversity. How we can become an Oprah an impact the world the way she did (in spite of her horrible childhood), how we can be a Michelle Obama smart, witty, upfront and always with class and intelligence, in spite of the attacks. How education-oriented, financially secure, and family-oriented we are.

Something I've noticed, most non-BW have the Wesleys, Mekhi Phiphers, OJs, ICE Ts...the DBRs. Now not ALL, but MOST, because unfortunately the relationship is based on "hating the BW" so they see non-BW as a trophy, and sometimes I feel for these women, being a woman myself, but I sure don't envy them. Most non-BM have Garcelle Beauvais, Heather Headley, Iman, Serena Williams, Sharon Leal, Tatyana Ali, Alfre Woodward, Arthelle Neville...ALL financially independent, smart, educated, respectable, wonderful Black Women. And many BM secretly envy these non-BM.

I heard a BM say one day "they're taking our queens!! We've been given probably the most loving, loyal and hard working woman in the world, but we took her for granted". Yep, I've heard one admitting it like this! But it's too late man, I'm staying where the love is too! LOL!!!

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Energize,

I would also guess that music has played a powerful role in bw beliefs about “black love”.How many times did you play your favorite song repeatedly as a teen not really listening to the words? I used to think Luther, Lionel, Ray, Marvin etc… (yeah, old school) were singing to me (bw) about “black love”, then come to find out they were singing to any kind of woman (or possibly man) with a heart beat. The young bf today is dancing to a much more dangerous tune now.

Yeah girl, we've been PUNK'D!!! That's why I don't take anything these male neo-soul singers say literally. All those "queen" this "queen" that don't move me. Chances are the "queen" looks nothing black. The funny thing is, Robin Thicke's "Lost Without You" is probably the realest "ode to a BW" of those past 20 years. LOL!

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not allowing anyone to intimidate me. I am going on with the mixer on Friday. Thanks for the suggestions.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Something I've noticed, most non-BW have the Wesleys, Mekhi Phiphers, OJs, ICE Ts...the DBRs. Now not ALL, but MOST, because unfortunately the relationship is based on "hating the BW" so they see non-BW as a trophy, and sometimes I feel for these women, being a woman myself, but I sure don't envy them. Most non-BM have Garcelle Beauvais, Heather Headley, Iman, Serena Williams, Sharon Leal, Tatyana Ali, Alfre Woodward, Arthelle Neville...ALL financially independent, smart, educated, respectable, wonderful Black Women. And many BM secretly envy these non-BM."



That is sooo off. Majority of the DBR-bm around are with black women! Hence the reason you see such a growing rate of HIV infections amongst married, faithful bw. The same goes with domestic violence. Take a random sample of black relationships, then another random sample of relationships involving black men and non-bw. Chances are, there is a higher rate of physical and sexual violence in the relationships that involve both the black man and black woman.

And remeber, not every man who is with a non-black woman did it for self-hating reasons. My belief is that the majority do, but one cannot paint them all withe the same brush. Similarly, not every self-hating black man who puts non-black women(esp. ww) on a pedestal is with a non-black women. Alot of them are with black women(others are with 'black' women, if you get my drift).

However, that whole rumour of white and other non-black women taking the best black men is nonsense, but not completely untrue if we only consider earning potential of these men(i.e ignoring whether or not they are of good character). From personal observations, it does seem to me that relationships involving wm/bw tend to consist of higher quality and more accomplished people than those involving bm/ww. Just my observation.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

glad to hear the mixer is going on as planned.

keep harrassing us DBRs and you'll find yourselves (back) in jail.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

"I'm a TV1 fan, I watched the first show of “Black Men Revealed”. Last season, it became a bw bash fest, so I stopped watching.

This time I was surprised the bm did not say one thing negative about bw, but it is still early in the season. They even complimented bw as the standard many women try to emulate. They were doing pretty good in regards to bw until the end when….. “The Indoctrination” spin begin. 5 out of the 5 men stated, “I want my daughters (nieces) to bring home and marry a black man”…period. The bm with the Phd backed off a little and made an exception for love."

first of all, can we please boycott "black men revealed". i find it very appalling that black men are being allowed and encouraged to be their obnoxious, self-absorbed selves on national tv. the first time i saw a commercial about it, i was tempted to throw something at the poor tv. why should bm have a show about themselves. why? who cares? its just one more thing to feed their egos with. i really don't understand why african american women go out of their way to sooth black men's ego. who cares what they have to say, I mean this is nothing short of narcissism. i honestly don't get why there is a show like this, i just don't get it. and sadly enough, its probably mostly bw watching the nonsense, really how sad. if bw really need to hear insults from bm, there are plenty of blogs out there willing to humor them. not to mention youtube. why isn't there a show called "white men revealed"? could it be because a majority of white men are not as self-absorbed as black men?

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

yall, I’m so sorry this is soooo long….. however, I’m a recent grad, I’m bored and jobless (d@mn economy) with a serious case of insomnia. Anyways….

whenever I hear these absolutely crazy stories about black women and loyalty to the “good” brotha, I’m ALWAYS shocked. It’s like I just read something by aliens. Like what planet is this stuff coming from. A lot of the behavior i read about is a huge indicator that many members of the black community, both bm and bw, have some serious psychosis. I was about 12 years old when I noticed the neurosis a lot of black men had. However, since from childhood I was shown what good TREATMENT is (as Evia mentions often), I made a decision to stay away from these black boys/men. I think a lot of black girls and women are walking around with no idea of what GOOD treatment is. They know what good treatment is when it concerns bm, however when it concerns them, I’m not sure a lot of them know what IT is for themselves. For example:

My uncle (he’s African) married an African American woman. His wife went through a lot growing up, most of her cousins are in jail and her father was murdered; however, with all the negative influences, she managed to send herself to college and get a good job. You would think after surviving so much this woman would have some sense right? Not really. She has two kids by two different men. Her eldest child is beyond ridiculous, however I can’t blame the daughter much since my aunt is such an enabler. Ever since I’ve known them, my aunt has taken care of not only her daughter but also her daughter’s boyfriends. When I say take care of, I mean free clothes, free food, free shoes, free vacations, free housing, free everything.

I remember when we once went on vacation in SC. Before we started driving, we had to go to the store first to buy shoes for my cousin’s boyfriend. Off the bat, I noticed there was something off with my cousin and her boyfriend (first of all, she was big and five years older than him; he was skinnier than a toothpick). Anyways, I noticed that he constantly belittled her, hit her on the head and curse her out every chance he got. He wasn’t paying for anything on this trip (it was all on my aunt), so you would think he would be grateful and behave himself.

Anyways, to cut the story short, our vacation was cut short when her boyfriend punched my cousin in the lip. My aunt called the cops. Why was my stupid a$$ cousin crying that her boyfriend went to jail. And then why was her idiotic friend trying to explain to me that I don’t understand what goes on between men and women, so I can’t understand how my cousin feels. btw, this friend had given me a lot of grieve during the trip. I actually had the audacity to want to sleep on the bed and have her brother sleep on the floor instead of the other way around. WTF. Anyways, less than a year after that, my cousin became pregnant by this guy she met on a phone chatline.

Anyways, sadly for my poor aunt, her idiotic daughter is not her only problem. Her youngest daughter (age 15) just gave birth. My poor aunt lost sooo much weight and her hair started falling out! She said she been crying ever since finding out her daughter was pregnant. However, I have a lot of sympathy for her youngest daughter. I’ve been witness to her uncles constantly insulting her, making fun of her, talking about her looks IN FRONT OF HER. Treatment like that can only result in low self-esteem. Also add in the fact that she’s dark-skinned, she probably gets abused all over the place. So when I found out she was pregnant, I really wasn’t surprised. Boys usually can detect girls with low self-esteem and then of course, prey on them. Now my poor aunt has her two daughters, two grandchildren and her eldest daughter’s chat line boyfriend living with her. Btw, she’s the one supporting ALL of them. Also, she’s also raising one of her cousin’s son (the mother, her cousin, is in jail).

However, sadly, that is not all of my aunt’s problems. Unfortunately, she met my uncle. My uncle has cheated on her, impregnated another woman (twice), gone missing for weeks. But no matter what he does, my poor aunty still declares her love for him!!?? not only does she not realize her worth, but I don’t think she knows what good treatment is either. Sometimes I just want to tell her to leave him. Believe me, she can do a LOT better. This woman is nothing short of beautiful; she is well-dressed, soft spoken, well-spoken, and VERY charming. However, she stays; and me, as a well behaved African child, I just watch and don’t say anything.



However, since this is the internet and I don’t have to be a good African child on here, I do want to send a warning to African American women. Often I hear about bw referring to African men as another option instead of bm. However, as an African female, I really would not advise that. As many of you know, bm KNOW that the only group of people in this world they have complete power over is bw. African men also are aware of this. However, the African community forces African men to behave themselves when it comes to African women and their children WITH African women.

This protection does not exist for African American women. Many African men are fully aware that they can literally do anything to African American women and that nothing will come out of it. They are fully aware that bm in general do not protect bw, this is a well known fact. As a result, many African men get into relationships with AAW knowing that they are going to use and discard them (I hate to be so blunt). And like many of my AAW friends have told me, African men are usually very charming when they just met you, but change once they have you. So don’t be fooled by their acts.

And even if he marries you, ladies please do not get comfortable, he probably has mistresses and other kids with an African woman somewhere. This goes for the educated African man and the uneducated African man. I have uncles that are doctors, lawyers, and engineers that all behave like this; and I have jobless useless uncles who still behave like this. Especially when they have money, they usually want to marry a non-African to avoid having a wife with a huge extended family constantly asking for money. However, even with a ww or bw wife, there is always an African girlfriend somewhere having his kids. (west Africa has a lot of polygamous cultures, so women don’t fret about men being unfaithful. What they concern themselves with is whether the man is supporting them and their children) I have a huge family with a ton of men in it, and all of the men married to outsiders literally have an African girlfriend somewhere that they are supporting. And I mean ALL OF THEM!!! So please ladies, beware of African men, what you see is not likely what’s going on. Even if his family supposedly loves you, they still will help him keep you in the dark.

I have a lot of sympathy towards my poor aunties because ALL of them are in the dark. These are beautiful, educated women that clearly deserve better. I think black American women really need to be militant about protecting their image and especially the way black men portray them. It affects the way people see and treat them even more so that they can imagine.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

JaliliMaster said... "If we keep on letting people think that everything that went wrong in their life was because of someone else actions without telling them to take responsibility(which is what most black men tend to do), she will never get out of that state!!!"

It is what it is! She (Renee's friend) made some judgement calls that were not in her best interest and is living with the consequences. There but for the grace of God do we all go. It happens to every one sooner or later if they live long enough to one degree or another. Telling someone to take responsibility without also providing information and access where applicable especially when it costs nothing/minimal effort to provide - so the person can then actively take responsibility ensures they will never change. Providing information is not enabling which is letting people think everything went wrong because of someone else or relieving them of responsibility. It is merely saying it is what is so how are they going to change i.e. do better it now that they have the information i.e. know better

PioneerValleyWoman said... "Black women have been told for so long (via Essence magazine) that black men are vulnerable in American society, they have to be built up, so they do whatever it takes to build them up."

Any "man" would be embarassed to be characterized as such - that description makes the man sound like a child - unfortunately the self serving, DBR folks choose to take advantage of it for as long as they can - which is why it is important to spread the word and wake women up so they have the information to do better - whether or not they choose to do better is on them! Fact is same-race abuse even if it is via indoctrination and 'soft means' is the same as the KKK just the race of the person doing the harm is the same as person that is being harmed. Just because the user, abuser person disrespecting, using and exploiting is the same race does not make it right or any less painful. If anyone else where behaving this way (As the Fools in Atlanta) it would be seen as racism and a crime so how is it any different - stop giving "boys" who do not deserve it a free pass! Do not suffer fools! Do not suffer period!

V/r

Clarice


V/r

Clarice

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Jalilimaster,

That is sooo off. Majority of the DBR-bm around are with black women! Hence the reason you see such a growing rate of HIV infections amongst married, faithful bw.

You didn't get my point. I wasn't talking about the majority of DBRbm, I was pointing out that in IRRs, most non-BM have good BW, whereas in the majority of BM/non-BW IRRs, non-BW have have DBRs (even you stated it) regardless of the money he makes. I mean everytime I meet a BM with a non-BW 9 times outta 10 he will flaunt her to my face, hence the DBRness. Again, I wasn't talking about the majority of BW (otherwise we wouldn't be talking about attacks and disrespect of BW here), my point was that IRRs of non-BM/BW seem to be HEALTHIER and more GENUINE than BM/non-WW and I gave examples. I don't know what's so off about that statement.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Andrew said...

Dear Sara and sellout ilk

I see you continue to think kissing the white man's toes as the solution to your problems. The economy is in a recession and you continue to blame black men once again for your issues. I guess you will blame white man too when they decide not to date you also ( I doubt you will because you got no backbone). I find it interesting that you call black men DBR. But the black women that sleep with them are not DBR???? That includes black women who sleep with white men too and sleep with black men at the same time. ( Never talked about)

That is why your blog is amusing to me. You won't tell your white members that sellout black women sleep with black men secretly. Yet black men is every bad word in the book. On top of that the HIV rates being high for black women is due to drug abuse. You won't tell your members that black women have a dirty secret of using drugs and be alcoholics.

Black men have their problems but if you think black women are immune to these problems you really make me laugh. I don't care for drug dealers , I really disdain them. But the majority of their customers is black women and white men.

Like I said it is real easy to tell other people to clean up their backyard but you sure won't clean up your own backyard.

Sincerely

Mr Laurelton Queens

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taylor Sara thank you for having this blog and Mary thank you for sharing.


Recently, I have slowly come to acknowledge that there are a lot of DBRBM and Mammies in my family.

I am starting to recognize that these patterns of behavior and value systems are playing out right before my eyes.


And realizing how they have impacted me, my life, and the decisions I have made or didn't make.


It fills me with so much grief, but I suppose ultimately it presents me with more empowered choices.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow PVW that is some serious knowledge that you dropped.


It is such a shame that this massive con game went all the way back that far.


I guess there were some BW who saw,knew, felt something was happening in order for them (Essence and others) to respond that way.


I wonder what could have been if those trends to hobble BW never got off the ground.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

@ Mary,

WOOOOOOOW. Thank you for being so frank about African men. I've never heard another African woman put the truth out there about African men before.

Hopefully your aunt will one day realize the beautiful woman that she is.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

"He noticed that various men in talking about the black women who interested them, they spoke in terms of what the women could do for them--she has a nice apartment, etc., but not in terms of what they could do for the women"

"Any "man" would be embarassed to be characterized as such - that description makes the man sound like a child - unfortunately the self serving, DBR folks choose to take advantage of it for as long as they can"

great points ladies, i can't tell you how much this stuff shames me to the core. i really hate being associated with such a weak class of men (both black and african).

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

"hence the DBRness"
..........................

I just love this expression which I pulled off Lola's comments...We can practically add it to everything in life...example

I baked a pie today..it did not come out well. "Hence the DBRness."

ok seriously...a lot of expressions and nuances do not come through in this forum..so sometimes we do have to hyper-explain so we are not misunderstood. It is a bit unfortunate....

On another issue, I want to make a gentle suggestion, that will be taken well I hope.....personally, I don't SEE this "flaunting" by BM of their non bw spouses or girlfriends because I don't care about the actions of strangers...or strangers I don't desire to be with anyway...and generally I am not looking at ANY man who has a spouse..any kind of spouse (or woman with them) ..So as BW, we have to stop thinking that these men are trying to upset us. Maybe WE are misunderstanding??.. But who cares about them anyway?..seriously...I hope no one in these blogs.

Learn to perfect the art of looking "through" people......My lack of interest in strange, random men is entirely real(it comes through to "them," I imagine.) Their actions mean nothing to me, hence I have nothing against them, as they are strangers to me...it is that simple. I do not greet BP I see out in the street just because...

BTW Lola..I agree with you..I think relationships between BW and non BM tend to be healthier...I don't see a plethora of BW, non BM on Jerry Springer or Maury Povich (on the rare occassions I have watched those "shows.")

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Mr. L. it is so odd that you should be here again, bothering us. Yet when I ask you what do you say to bm in IRs -nary a peep from you- hmmmmm could it be that you say absolutely nothing because you see nothing wrong with bm in IRs? It's only wrong when it's us? Even if we are merely looking for the best man we can find? I'm glad you find my blog amusing. I hope you'll still be laughing when I turn it into a movement and get looo,s of bw happily married to 'good men' and show them how to kick a sorry ass 'brotha' to the curb. Because that's the ultimate plan. In fact, We're setting up a dating site as we speak, It will focus ONLY on BW/Non bm. I know we're never supposed to think only of ourselves or of ourselves at all but too damn bad! Keep hating on me. Keep sending me nasty emails, and getting your friends to do the same. You're speading my message further than I ever could....thanks

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Evia said...

However, since this is the internet and I don’t have to be a good African child on here, I do want to send a warning to African American women. Often I hear about bw referring to African men as another option instead of bm. However, as an African female, I really would not advise that. As many of you know, bm KNOW that the only group of people in this world they have complete power over is bw. African men also are aware of this. However, the African community forces African men to behave themselves when it comes to African women and their children WITH African women.

Mary, I appreciate you saying this. I'm aware that I had a good experience with my ex-husband who is a Nigerian, but I also realize that many African men in relationships with AA women do treat them like crud BECAUSE the word is out that MANY sistas here can be be easily used by bm from anywhere and will fall for a sad sob story from a bm. I keep telling bw that ANY man will take advantage of them if they allow it.

I'm the type of AA woman who expects for a man to produce and if he doesn't, I'm not interested because a man is a protector and a provider. That's his role. A man MUST do his utmost to perform his role or I'm outta his life. If he doesn't have enough education and skills, then I shouldn't have to tell him to go get some more. If he doesn't make enough money on his one job, then he should get a second job. Why not? And even a third one. Many bw work 2-3 jobs, so a bm is no better than a bw. He can do it too. But I'm not an indoctrinated AA woman. I don't feel sorry for bm from anywhere. They know instantly that I don't feel sorry for them, so they don't even try those sad sob stories on me. I could never be attracted to a man that I feel pity for anyway.

There is no short cut here. I'm treated well because I insist on good treatment from men, women and even my children. Or else. Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't see any reason to be with a man if he weren't treating me well. I mean, why would I be with him? What would be in the deal for me?

If a woman tolerates mistreatment, it's going to happen. My ex is a good man, but if I had allowed it, he would not have treated me AS well. The same goes for my present husband. The only reason why I'm treated well by men is because I insist on it. I insist on reciprocity and I'm not shy about that--at all.

I agree with you that many bw don't really know what "good treatment" is and don't insist that a man perform his role. Many bw don't know how to evaluate or vet any bm to determine whether he has the "right stuff" and many of them don't even bother to do it. The BIGGEST part of the reason for this is that the black community PRESSURES bw to cut bm slack because as they continue to say: "de evil wm is always trying to keep a brotha down." You cannot imagine how many ways that SAME message is conveyed to black girls and bw. I hear that all of the time in so many ways. That's a big part of the indoctrination program. When some AA women meet African men, they still see a bm that de evil wm is supposedly trying to keep down. LOL! Some African men will use that same old excuse too because they know it works with AA women. The only man who wouldn't be able to use that lame excuse with AA women would be a wm. LOL! So this may be a very good reason for bw to only mate with wm. They would expect for a wm to deliver because they haven't been indoctrinated to accept excuses from wm.

The fact is that IF bw weren't indoctrinated to be with bm these days, I don't believe that most bw would actually choose to be with bm. Many bw are not really pleased with the bm in their life because many bm don't even try to bring ease and comfort to a bw or to lighten her stress load. I know for a fact that lots of the sistas I'm around stick with bm simply because somebody told them they should, and other black folks just keep repeating that.

Let's face it, what can bm do for a bw that other men can't do? And the fact is that many non-bm can do a lot of things BETTER than bm and bm KNOW this. This is what terrifies them!

Plenty of folks in the black community know this too, but this is just why they will continue to try to make bw feel guilty about dating out or make sistas feel scared to do it.

Truth be told, it's much easier for bw to date and marry out than bm--IF bw only knew this. It's always easier for females to get males than the opposite IF the women knew how to do it. This is just driven by the nature of males and females. If the situation were reversed, and bm had the natural and other assets that bw have, they'd be GONE.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ delishmish

and generally I am not looking at ANY man who has a spouse..any kind of spouse (or woman with them) ..So as BW, we have to stop thinking that these men are trying to upset us. Maybe WE are misunderstanding??

First of all, thanks for your advice. And any suggestion is well taken as long as it is done in a constructive way, so I definitely appreciate. What I was talking about is, it's not that I stop and "look/stare/overanalyze", it's that for example, the man is in front of me with his non-BW, or walking next to me, stares at me with that "take that" look, looking for attention. I get these childish behaviors quite often. It's not every single time, but it often happens. Do I give them the attention some of these guys crave? I'll be honest with you D : I think I do, because when it happens, even if I purposely don't make eye contacts with them, I think they sense that I "see" that they're watching me. Gotta practice the "looking through people" thing better I guess. LOL

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poor deluded Andrew,

Don't you have any self-pride and dignity left? I guess what Clarice said is true.

Nothing from nothing truly leaves nothing.

Instead of spreading lies and getting worked up into a frenzy over black women and white men who prefer each other for reasons that are none of your business, why not get "outraged" over the below information.

FBI Alarmed At Murder Rate Among Black Men

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/09/national/main4164941.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4164941

""Violence is down among whites of all ages and both genders; it's up among black males, not black females," Fox said. "When you blend all the national numbers together you fail to see this divergence. There are many more whites in the population, so their decline can dwarf the increase among young black males."

Now THIS Andrew is an issue that could possibly affect you personally.

White men and black women dating, falling in love, marrying, and creating beautiful families together doesn't effect you in the least.

It's unrelated to you.

Your time would be much better spent mentoring to your particular population who is obviously in desperate need of guidance.

Good day.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

Hey Lola Doll (if you don't mind my being so informal)

I am thinking (and I could be wrong) that you are still somewhat emotionally invested in BM, hence they are able (even as strangers) to cause you some degree of hurt. I really could not give you any one reason why I am not and have never been emotionally invested in (strangers..once again, the operative word) BM in general, thus I am truly unaware of these actions some take.

Now because I look through strangers, does not mean I am unaware of their presence. I will cross a street in an instance, or not get in an elevator with someone I feel uncomfortable with, because I do not care about hurting feelings. It is an art to practice indeed. I do the same with women. I am very self involved..I am not the type who "checks out" other women for their clothes, shoes and hairstyles....I literally look through them. I am mostly interested in ME.. and mine...some reading this will interpret this as gross selfishness....well as BW, we need to practice this art of selfishness much more..get OURSELVES fit, healthy and happy and LOVED...

Another way to approach this Lola (love that name..even if just your screen name..or maybe you are a show girl..lol)..is to make a concerted effort NOT to think anyone is doing these things you describe. When you think it, you call it to yourself unfortunately....but as quickly as you call it, is as quickly as you can dismiss it...until one day you will find you no longer call it.

Hope that make some semblance of sense.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Andrew said...

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At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact is that IF bw weren't indoctrinated to be with bm these days, I don't believe that most bw would actually choose to be with bm. Many bw are not really pleased with the bm in their life because many bm don't even try to bring ease and comfort to a bw or to lighten her stress load. I know for a fact that lots of the sistas I'm around stick with bm simply because somebody told them they should, and other black folks just keep repeating that.

TELL IT!LOL Black women were sold a bill of goods.

But we didn't all drink the Kool-Aid.

NO woman in her right mind would be with some of these characters.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

You really are crazy, you know that! I stopped dating bm with my first husband so you don't know what you are talking about! I never dated pimps, thugs and hustlers! You are missing some vitally needed brain cells. As for bw turning to lesbians, you would love that would'nt you. Anything other than turn to men who are non black! You are not going to use MY forum to spead your lies and BS. So I'm just going to delete you and ask that you go away. You are a troll and you have no business here. And you did not answer the question, you simply sidestepped it. Very typical for trolls like yourself! And what you don't know you make up. (lies and more lies) I know you hope this movement won't catch, but I can assure you it will. With bm helping it more than anything else with their trifling ways
Say goodbye TROLL!!!!

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

every time i see a bm with a non-bw i think "yes! keep him occupied so more bw can escape." if he's home with her, maybe she can keep him from busting up our mixers.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

sara, you said it best already. every vile piece of filth some idiot posts ONLY furthers the cause.

you never know, some poor young bw may have been on her way to meet her dbrbm boyfriend, read his post, realized her boyfriend sounds a lot like "laurelton queens" and cancelled.

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok...


I am a basic skills sister.


I would be curious to know how to "vet" a man.


And how it is easier for women to get men than the reverse?

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

this story could be a good book

 
At Tuesday, July 22, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey ladies,

if you haven't already, watch the video on evia's blog today. beautiful love story!

steph

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see Andrew still can't answer a simple question? don't worry sarah he and his friends fawn over women who don't look like them. That's why he can't answer and he never will.

here's another interracial relationship bit in tank's video "maybe i deserve". i don't know how i miss this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7diV5bq6xh8

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

"Learn to perfect the art of looking "through" people......"

Delish I could swear that you are walking next to me in the mall lol. I think that I have perfected that craft. Ladies you will get such a kick out of this if you haven't done that already. You will get a straight up attitude at bm when you do this. They will break their neck trying to figue out why YOU are not looking at them. This goes especially for those who are with woman of ANY color or thosee who are walking with a bunch of men.

I don't know why folks think you owe them a right to have any of your time shared with them.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

First of all, thanks for your advice. And any suggestion is well taken as long as it is done in a constructive way, so I definitely appreciate. What I was talking about is, it's not that I stop and "look/stare/overanalyze", it's that for example, the man is in front of me with his non-BW, or walking next to me, stares at me with that "take that" look, looking for attention. I get these childish behaviors quite often. It's not every single time, but it often happens. Do I give them the attention some of these guys crave?

Its because he/they KNOW you are looking even if you think you're not.

What is it we used to do as kids? "Mom she's looking at me". Then Mom would reply, "How do you know she's looking at you if you're not looking at her?"

If someone is purposely walking in front of you, standing in front of you or looking at you, walk around, walk over, walk thru. Too easy. I do it everyday. You'll get those stupid stares every time lol.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are there levels of dbrness? I would place Mr. Laurelton at least at a level 3.

Men like him do not have the courage to do what Anon suggested and confront bm about their horrendous black on black crime. As soon as he is confronted by a man, he will probably pee on himself.

It is much easier for cowards to attack women and children. He is probably reading this blog now while torturing little animals in his �wife beater�.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Yeah, and to think he had the nerve to say "more bw are turning to lesbianism than wm!"
He wanted that to be true (it's a lie,) but the fact that he wanted it to be true shows how truly damaged he is! Why would you want women who obviously want men to settle for other women rather simply get men from other cultures? That does not make any sense at all! But they don't give a damn because our happiness is of no importance. It's all about preserving bm and their precious egos! They don't give a damn about bw/children. As long as bm don't have to see us on the arm a good wm. HOw sick is that? They would rather that woman rot with lonliness or settle for another woman than be happy with a wm! Sick......

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree Sara, I read the post before you deleted it and he did want bw to become lesbians rather than date/marry wm! That really is sick. We deserve love/marriage/happiness too dammit. Some women are real lesbians, more power to them, but to have to pretend to be one to have someone to love is very very sad. The fact that he would even want that is just too sick for words. Bullying bw to stay away from wm knowing there are not enoug bm to go around and two thirds of the ones around are not viable candidates ie diseased, criminals, multiple fathers, multiple women, dead beats etc. To be so selfish as to PROUDLY say "well more bw are turning to lesbianism than white men" is truly the sign of a sick puppy. No woman should feel she has to 'turn to' something unless that is what she wants! Truly bm are the most selfish creatures God has created.....sad

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Andrew said...

Dear Sara and her friends

I clearly see you threw a tantrum at me because you disagreed with me. I would hope we could have a civilized discussion before you "lost it". As for the murder statistics that has nothing to do with dating. Also if you had kids with a white man they would be classified as black. Therefore black and black crime statistics would more than likely include them.

Just food for thought, secondly the lesbianism is not something I advocate. I stated that more black women are doing that then dating white men. I will stick to that statement.

Now your lashing out at me and explaining you had a "Black Husband" Sara you have a personal issue you have not resolved. Perhaps your bitterness comes out on your blog. Whatever happened to you in the past you need counseling for.

I actually like your blog even though your blog wouldn't be as popular without bashing black men. At the end of the day you can thank us for that, because without us you would have nothing to talk about.

Yea aren't you the same people that don't like the fact that black women " can't control their images in the media" but you want to censor me for telling the truth.
It must be good to be a hypocrite

Good day to you all

Sincerely

Mr Laurelton Queens

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger PVW said...

Some comments:

Wow PVW that is some serious knowledge that you dropped.


It is such a shame that this massive con game went all the way back that far.


I guess there were some BW who saw,knew, felt something was happening in order for them (Essence and others) to respond that way.


I wonder what could have been if those trends to hobble BW never got off the ground.

Others:

"He noticed that various men in talking about the black women who interested them, they spoke in terms of what the women could do for them--she has a nice apartment, etc., but not in terms of what they could do for the women"

"Any "man" would be embarassed to be characterized as such - that description makes the man sound like a child - unfortunately the self serving, DBR folks choose to take advantage of it for as long as they can"

My reply:

Indeed, the articles and trends go way back! There was one article, I have not been able to find, called, "Where have all the brothers gone?" She woke up to realize that in her community, the family events and so forth, all the brothers had disappeared. The only ones around were ancient or young boys dragged in by their mothers.

As for the users, damage indeed--no reciprocity, no discussion of appreciating the women for being just fantastic women, just "getting theirs," through some women. And this was a man talking!

So many men are pimping that "vulnerable but well meaning" black man thing. As Joan Morgan suggested in "Chickenheads come Home to Roost,"

Strong Black Women and Endangered Black Men: It is not a Love Story.

As for the black men who would rather black women become lesbians, think of the implications of the madness in that argument:

Black women are so focused on black men that they would rather act outside of their natural heterosexual tendencies and have sex with women than with men with whom they are compatible.

So you are going to have all these women bewailing the lack of black men and thus finding succor in sex with each other over their sadness and despair--wailing every day, and perhaps still hoping they can find a good black man!

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aphrodite said... Ok...I am a basic skills sister. I would be curious to know how to "vet" a man. Presumably as a follow on to Evia's statement "if I had allowed it, he would not have treated me AS well. The same goes for my present husband. The only reason why I'm treated well by men is because I insist on it. I insist on reciprocity and I'm not shy about that--at all."

Like Aphrodite - straight shooting keep it simple and always open to learning and refining and increasing knowledge - so in addition to my take on vetting,a request for more info or maybe even some example on how to "insist on reciprocity" ideas are always welcome.

In terms of 'vetting' my take is know what your expectations are include some examples in your mind of "acceptable, expected behavior - then when you meet a man - take note of what he says and more importantly what he does. Words mean less than nothing without action. Actions matter most. Does he say he respects women? Fine. Do his actions match that statement - is he polite to women he encounters when you are with him, waitresses, clerks, service personnel this includes what he says. To vet someone merely means make them prove either there worth - demonstrate their character and that they walk the walk and not just talk. Does he call when he says he will, is he on time, does he keep promises he makes to others, does he do the right thing - how does he handle himself in his day to day life and interactions with people.

In terms of looking through people - as a city dweller who prefers to limit interactions with fellow residence except when desired or absolutely required - it is a life saver. More often not, I am lost in my own head and folks do not register as anything more than a blip on the screen, objects to avoid, walk around, over, or through and continue on to my destination. For safety sake you take in the details of who, what, where but do it like you were looking at a car passing on the street - no eye contact or recognition/acknowledgement - they are of no more signifigance than a chair or other object. Never make eye contact - look at a point past the person and do not acknowledge they even exsist - drives attention whores nuts. If somehow or the other you look at their face focus on the chin or forehead - no eye contact and no change of expression - they still will not know if you are looking at them or the spot on the all behind them.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"well more bw are turning to lesbianism than white men"

that is the dumbest thing i have ever read in my life. these guys will go as far as making up statistics! let me tell you...i was having a debate online w/ a bm who said and i quote "ww make 5x's more money that black women, so bw need to stop acting like their all that",and he mentioned that he makes $200,000 per yr and has a bfa degree(i've never heard of a bfa degree, i even tried to look it up,lol. but if there is such a thing please let me know) so i said "5x's more??? i could understand if you said 2x's more that would be believable but 5x's more??? if ww are making that much more money and we know that men make 2x's more money than women that would mean that men make 10x's more than women. Now let's look at it at a bm/wm perspective. if white men make 2x's more money than bm that that means he makes 20x's more money than bm, that would mean your $200,000 per yr at sh*t". Up until now he has yet to rebutal.

don't let their little make up statistic scare you, and we you see it call them on it.

yesterday i went to the mall w/ a friend and saw 4 ir. 2 were bw/wm, 2 bm/ww. the first bw/wm couple were walking out of a hunting store, the 2nd couple had children. the other 2 bm/ww were just walking around.

my friend's father was explaining to us that he feels sorry for us women today who are making it cuz these "bros" aren't even trying.They're just waiting on a hand-out. so i told him "it's getting to a point that we're going to have to look else where for love" and he said "you gotta do what you gotta do".

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

Hey Selena..how are ya Doll? Always good to read your comments Friend.

Yes it is a peculiar thing that I do I suppose (lol)...but it is completely real. I am just NOT interested...generally, I have to KNOW you to be interested. I have been accused of being a "cold" person because of this. One "memorable" (ie NOT memorable) BM said to his friends, "Nah, leave her alone. She as cold as ice"...PERFECTION. Clearly my technique is working as I intended. I heard another grumble under his breath that I must "have a man." (I did) but if I didn't, he failed to understand that I was STILL not interested in HIM. I KNOW when I am interested in a man, because I listen to me. Hence the right man will NOT escape because I was "looking through him." You have to listen to that inner voice, and I do.

Now as for BW becoming Lesbians before turning to WM as partners...well, I was unable to read that post..but it seems to me Mr L might have a valid point.(sic) IF YOU LIVED IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD..AND THERE WAS NO WAY TO BE WITH ANY TYPE OF MAN< SAVE FOR HIM AND HIS TYPE >> YOU WOULD BE A LESBIAN TOO....FER SURE!!!!

Luckily, thanks to the miracles of trains, subways, buses etc..not even the "poor" women of Laurelton, Queens need suffer that fate..they can escape into the real world...unless of course they do truly desire to be lesbians (nothing wrong with that chicas...I believe everyone should be who they want to be)...but I have a strong suspicion that Mr Laurelton, by his looks, manner, pheromes, person, being, self..well the whole package really..could turn ANY woman gay..just to get away from HIM.

Hence I have assembled a test...Please take it and record the results at once.

Delish in white lab coat, glasses on, hair in a bun and a pencil in mouth, holding a notepad to record the results.

Here is the choice. You MUST pick one of these characters to "be with"...no substitutions.(All BW in the world or the women in "Mr" L's neighborhood are being polled.)

1) "Mr" LQ OR Rosie Odonnel
ALL women chose- Rosie Odonnel(sorry to use you like that Rosie..lol)

2) "Mr" LQ OR a GRIZZLY Bear
All women chose the GRIZZLY Bear

3) "Mr" LQ OR a GREAT WHITE SHARK
All women chose the Great White shark to "be" with..lol

4) "Mr" LQ OR Flava Flav
ALl women chose Flava Flav (albeit crying)

5) "Mr" LQ OR NO ONE PERIOD.
All women chose NO ONE PERIOD.

So..as you can clearly see from this scientific poll, Mr LQ may not be incorrect when he asserts that women would rather be lesbians than with wm IF they can't have him. What he has NOT factored in however, is that these women can "escape" his neighborhood via the means I have stated above, but even if they could not escape..they STILL would not chosse HIM.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

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At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara,

Know that what you are doing is having a positive affect on black women.

Example: My niece is 16 years old and she sees the dynamics of my relationship with my significant other who is white, but she also sees the dynamics of her mom's relationship with a dbrbm with no job living on "disability" and off of my sister.

She calls me at work one day and say's Auntie, there is something that I would like to discuss with you, I tell her that I will call her as soon as I get off work then we can talk. (I'm thinking to myself please don't let her have gotten caught up with one of these little knucklehead boys in her neighborhood).


I call her and she tell me that she is interested in expanding her horizons and wants to date outside her race. She wants to know the pitfalls and what to expect, I give her advise based on my experience and I tell her one last piece of crucial info:

" no matter what color man you are attracted to make sure he has his head screwed on right and his priorities straight because baby you can do bad all by yourself".


Fun Feisty

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I clearly see you threw a tantrum at me because you disagreed with me. I would hope we could have a civilized discussion before you "lost it". As for the murder statistics that has nothing to do with dating."

The point is there are FAR more pressing life-threatening issues for you as a bm (and other trolls) to be worried about then black women/white men relationships.

And speaking of unrelated topics, the lesbian issue has nothing to do with black women/white men relationships. Yet, you brought it up.


"Also if you had kids with a white man they would be classified as black. Therefore black and black crime statistics would more than likely include them."

For your information all of my children take after their white father in looks and are legally classified as other/non-black/biracial on legal forms.

Plus, we ALL know full well the appearance and background of those damaged beyond repair black men included in those crime statistics.

And they SURE AS HELL don't have white fathers. So don't mix apples with oranges.


"Just food for thought, secondly the lesbianism is not something I advocate. I stated that more black women are doing that then dating white men. I will stick to that statement."

What I will stick to is the FACT that UNTOLD NUMBERS of black women are being infected as we speak because they've been indoctrinated to risk their health even in order to not "offend the bc" by having the audacity to date and marry healthy, suitable, white men and other non black men.

This "nothing but a brother" Bull Sh*t is KILLING black women.

I will stick to THAT statement because it's the TRUTH.

And unlike you, I have numbers to PROVE that there are large numbers of DL (closeted homosexual) black men who are putting unsuspecting black women at risk.


THIS IS A MUST READ SISTAS.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B04E4DD1E39F936A35757C0A9629C8B63

Though heterosexual transmission has risen for all women, researchers say a black woman has a greater chance of coming into contact with the virus when she has sex with another black person because, compared with the general population, there is a higher rate of H.I.V. among black Americans.

Recent studies suggest that 30 percent of all black bisexual men may be infected with H.I.V., and up to 90 percent of those men do not know they are infected. Researchers for the Centers for Disease Control have referred to these men as a ''bridge'' to infection from gay men to heterosexual women.

In February, health officials identified a fast-spreading outbreak of infections among 84 men, primarily black students at 37 colleges in North Carolina. The majority were infected through sex with other men, but a third reported that they had had sex with men and women.

''What we learned from the research we did with college men here is the potential for H.I.V. to enter the mainstream population of the black community,'' said Dr. Peter Leone, medical director of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services H.I.V. prevention unit and a co-author of a study of the 84 men.

''This is a big change and may be a defining moment,'' Dr. Leone added. ''I don't mean to sound like Chicken Little, but if we don't react to this very quickly and aggressively, it'll be like the 80's all over again. Instead of gay white men, though, we'll be dealing with large numbers of young black men and their female partners.''

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

my friend's father was explaining to us that he feels sorry for us women today who are making it cuz these "bros" aren't even trying.They're just waiting on a hand-out. so i told him "it's getting to a point that we're going to have to look else where for love" and he said "you gotta do what you gotta do".

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Black women never should have been looking to the "bros" to begin with Sky.

That's what I truly don't get. Was there EVER a time in RECENT history when black women should have been focused on black men (to the exclusion of non blacks) for relationships?

Can someone explain this to me? I'm really in the dark about this.

When have black men EVER given black women a good reason to stick with them exclusively?

And I don't want to hear some account from a history book.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

LOL at the choices D. Yes I'd gladly "turn gay" if my other choice was "Mr." LQ

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't feel the need to black men bash. I don't feel the need to acknowledge black men's existence. They are nothing to me and I really wish I could stop reading their comments on this blog.

Thank God I am light skinned, because if I ever have a son with my white man, just like my cousin, he will turn out WHITE! And therefore not useless.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Delishmish :)

What's up??

I don't feel "hurt" or pissed or mad etc, I don't believe BM and BW belong to each other. I don't even go out thinking "how many of them are we gonna see today?", no no, it's just that attention seekers (whoever they may be, which include some BM in IRR looking for attention) actually catch my attention. Spoiled brats demanding attention for example, I automatically notice them. But I'll think about what you said about being "invested", I didn't see it that way but maybe you're right so thanks.

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@ Selena,

Yeah girl, I know they know. They noticed that I noticed their "game" so they keep doing it. So even if I'm not hurt (as I told Delishmish), the fact that I *notice* their "game" makes me give them the attention they seek. So I still feed their egos, right?

So LADIES, I'll work on perfecting the art of "looking through", and this won't apply to just attention seeking BM (not all of them, just the ones who are attention seekers) but to attention seekers in general. THANKS for the replies guys LOL!!

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth be told, it's much easier for bw to date and marry out than bm--IF bw only knew this. It's always easier for females to get males than the opposite IF the women knew how to do it. This is just driven by the nature of males and females. If the situation were reversed, and bm had the natural and other assets that bw have, they'd be GONE.

If THAT AINT THE GOSPEL TRUTH, I don't know what is. They. Would. Be. GOOOOOOOONE!!!!

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

And how it is easier for women to get men than the reverse?

Girl, you don't have to make efforts, men generally come to women so you have more options without struggling for it. The abundance is everywhere, hispanics, whites, asians, you name it! Now if you're interested in a man and suppose he happens to be shy, there's no rule saying you CAN'T be the one approaching him, go get what you want (that's how a friend of mine got her "shy guy", he was confident about EVERYTHING except for approaching girls, and that's one of the most beautiful relationships I've ever seen LOL)! But in general, men are the ones approaching us so we do have options after options almost everyday. Girl, you're powerful, be aware of this and enjoy it.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, Just a question...why do you continue to print anything Mr. Queens says?

a. f.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger LostGirl#1 said...

"but it seems to me Mr L might have a valid point.(sic) IF YOU LIVED IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD..AND THERE WAS NO WAY TO BE WITH ANY TYPE OF MAN< SAVE FOR HIM AND HIS TYPE >> YOU WOULD BE A LESBIAN TOO....FER SURE!!!!"

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FLAT________________LINE....LOL

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

for sky: BFA = bachelor's of fine arts degree

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out Black Girls Rock for in your face proof that the Indoctrination is a pack of lies, created to keep women from exercising their free will and act in their best interest. Vogue is publishing a reprint of the July 2008 Italian issue because of the demand. Everyone wants it! The All Black Woman issue is a smash hit a total sell out! So much for not being wanted!

V/r

Clarice

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger EmergingPhoenix said...

@Delishmish - this is not the first time u have cracked me up. Always love to read ur take...LOL!!

I just want to add to the ladies, that "vetting" a man does not mean aggressively interrogating him, or giving him a huge attitude, but it does mean that you should listen to your internal cues. Don't be afraid to pause the conversation (take a restroom break to gather urself), cut the date short, or not explain why u dont want to go out (it is not ur job to make him better for the next woman). Dont be goaded into an argument, they are designed to debase you and then make you feel sorry for them. Silence gives you a chance to understand what ur feeling, and to devise a plan or course of action. On a date your primary goal should be fun, and interaction, but your primary responsibility is your own safety and well-being. Don’t let a guy cause u to compromise that.

For example, if you are out on a date, and a man makes a comment you find offensive or threatening, your first thought should be to remove yourself from the situation IMMEDIATELY. You can simply say you are tired and you want to go home, or you can be creative and find another reason to end the date. If you can make arrangements to get home on ur own, u should (always bring cab fare). If he drove and u have no other options, I think it is best to not even reveal that you are threatened or offended.

Dont let a man get too comfortable to quickly, this is a tactic used way too often. If he has established intimate nicknames in the first few weeks, you should say that makes you uncomfortable, and to stop. If he cant respect that, then leave him alone.

There are ways you can do this, without stepping out of your comfort zone. Any woman should do these things, but I am specifically talking to the ladies who do not feel comfortable being aggressive, or confrontational. The mild or passive, who tend to find themselves being convinced to stay another hour, when they really wanted to go home after the appetizers. There r ways to vet a guy and protect urself, without being forceful, if ur not comfortable with that.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I actually like your blog even though your blog wouldn't be as popular without bashing black men. At the end of the day you can thank us for that, because without us you would have nothing to talk about.

For those of you who don't speak BULLSHITANESE, let me translate this message for you :

"I actually don't like this blog because you're exposing the truth about the BC and DBRbm. I call this *bashing* to make y'all BW feel guilty and feel better about myself when I know it's nothing but the truth, that's why I ignore the facts and don't answer touchy questions. You people hurt my ego. So I'll make this blog all about ME, ME, ME! I am important, this isn't about de-indocrination of BW, this isn't about BW's attraction to non-BM, it's impossible, I am the reason you blog (let me act like I don't see the pictures) and if I'm not then you're all lesbos. Didn't the BC teach you better? Y'all MULES need to shut up and KNOW your place!!"

Lord, this drama king just won't stop! LOL

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

people (and yes bw are legitimate people) generally do not "bash" anyone who has not first done them harm. and keep in mind, there is a difference between bashing and telling our personal truths --for which sara gave us this blog. if a bm kicks you in the stomach while you're pregnant (as happened to a family friend) and you speak out about it, it's not bashing. it's promoting awareness.

certainly, in generations past, bw had to deal with wm (and ww, in cases) degrading them, making them feel less than worthy, abusing them sexually, destroying their families, insulting their beauty and character, claiming ownership of their sexuality, murdering their children, and generally acting in ways that clearly show a lack of respect for and acknowledgment of bw's humanity.

but who's doing that now?

slavery's longest lasting legacy may be that it taught dbrbm how to subjugate their own. the QUALITY bm in our families and social circles love us so much they want nothing but the best for us. and quite often, the best is not you.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

I apologize y'all getting into an argrument with the troll. I should know by now the only way to be free of trolls is to hit delete. I will be alot more liberal with that button in the future. I find that if you answer them back (no matter what you say) they clamor for attention and try to disrupt the flow of your blog. His main reason for being here was to stop the conversation (they are very good at that)....Anyway for those of you who are emailing and asking part 2 will be up very soon (maybe even t'nite....

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Clarice,

In terms of looking through people - as a city dweller who prefers to limit interactions with fellow residence except when desired or absolutely required - it is a life saver. More often not, I am lost in my own head and folks do not register as anything more than a blip on the screen, objects to avoid, walk around, over, or through and continue on to my destination. For safety sake you take in the details of who, what, where but do it like you were looking at a car passing on the street - no eye contact or recognition/acknowledgement - they are of no more signifigance than a chair or other object. Never make eye contact - look at a point past the person and do not acknowledge they even exsist - drives attention whores nuts. If somehow or the other you look at their face focus on the chin or forehead - no eye contact and no change of expression - they still will not know if you are looking at them or the spot on the all behind them.

Thanks for the advice!! That's really nice of you. :)

Check out Black Girls Rock for in your face proof that the Indoctrination is a pack of lies, created to keep women from exercising their free will and act in their best interest. Vogue is publishing a reprint of the July 2008 Italian issue because of the demand. Everyone wants it! The All Black Woman issue is a smash hit a total sell out! So much for not being wanted!

V/r

Clarice


Tell itttttt!!! LMAO! I have to share the news with other sisters, spread the word! And the next copies will be printed with the tagline "MOST WANTED ISSUE EVER/FIRST REPRINT"!! DAMN!! WE ROCK!

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Yeah you guys, anybody know where to find the (black girl) issue of vogue. I've been looking all over... it must be sold out....

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Zabeth said...

Since it is Italian Vogue you might have to seek it out a book stores/specialty bookstores or broad newstands.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you're in the LA area...

BOOK SOUP on sunset has the reprints in already! i just bought 2! :)

barnes & nobles and borders nationwide should be getting them soon. call around.

and if you still can't find it anywhere, call the vogue UK call center at:
011 44 1858 4388 19

"BLACK ISSUE: THE MOST WANTED ISSUE EVER" --i'm about to put that on a t-shirt and rock it. hard.

 
At Wednesday, July 23, 2008 , Blogger Evia said...

Re Italian VOGUE, the ISBN # for the one that I have (the one with Liya Kebede on the cover) is:

9770042802009

You should be able to get Barnes & Noble or Borders to order it--at least, the ones near me will order in books for me. I've never tried to order a magazine though. This magazine is just coming out and the demand for it is great, so try to order it. This will send a message that we REALLY, REALLY want to see ourselves reflected in these magazines and will spend more money if we see more of ourselves.

Secondly, this "Mr. Laurelton" character and other trolls write me constantly with all kinds of poisonous, hateful stuff about bw. I just SMH and delete it. These trolls and bw-haters are trying to use the BW-IR blogs to spread their poison. They're trying to confuse, weaken, divert, and paralyze bw so that more of y'all will continue to be their sitting prey. Their tactics are extremely elementary to me, but I'm a savvy, older woman who is immune to them. I shudder to think about the impact they're having on young unsuspecting bw out there. On the other hand, I kinda sorta appreciate it when they reveal themselves to me through their posts because it gives me a chance to peek into their demented brains. I study what they say because they are like mutated specimens of a bad virus to me.

Re vetting men, I think that Clarice and Emerging Phonenix did a great job of providing pointers. I think it would be super if some of you aspiring filmmakers found some young wannabe actors and put together some short film clips showing how the vetting is done, using a digi-camcorder and simple scripts. A "picture is worth a thousand words," as the saying goes. This could be simple to do. This would be SO valuable to many young women out there who are not getting any guidance or direction from their home and community about how. Vetting needs to be done with ALL men.

And Emerging Phonenix, I really appreciate that you and Mekare are setting up the Ning message board for the SAT clubs that I talked about the need for on my Common Sense blog. Thanks to you too, Sara for offering to help. I hope as many of you as possible will support this effort. There is a great need for it. I get mail often from young bw asking for help/support. I cannot respond to most of them. I think that more of us need to do what we can, so with the Ning setup, pls contribute in a way that's best suited for you. It may be necessary to check your egos at the door though--because sometimes this is why our efforts don't succeed when we try to work together. I think it's vital to each put in at least some effort to teach other bw because when bw know better, they do better. Some bw are going to reject what you're trying to tell them. Don't argue. Just tell them anyway and keep on moving. Other bw are hungry for information. Spend the bulk of your time with them because they're ready to get off the sinking ship.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Clarice,


I would be open to insisting on reciprocity ideas as well.

I have been ending a lot of connections as fast as I have begun them due to lack of reciprocity.


Is it a normal part of the process that you will have to go through a lot of people before you find the decent ones?





Thank Anon for that article. It is so frightening that it would be stated so explicitly like that-

"if a black woman has sex with another black person"


It gives me chills thinking about all those women out there.





Thank you Lola. Perhaps I need to position myself differently to be around more men.



Emerging Phoenix, I am grateful for your insight. It is a good idea to pause in the middle of a situation in order to gain perspective.

I really could have used your advice a short while ago because I have met a few guys who have said things that were offensive.

Instead of excusing myself I would be so shocked that they could tell my displeasure and they would back track, but I still felt uncomfortable.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

hey ladies, i wanted to know if you guys believe that this CNN black week event is healthy? i mean every issue i know about the white community comes from my own white friends telling me. white people do not have a white week where they discuss and air their PERSONAL dirty laundry. black people however, you can watch tyra and CNN to see what's going on, does that make sense?

when was the last time white men and women sat around discussing their personal issues with each other, or should i say against each other??? this black week CNN stuff does not make sense. remember, when white people have stories about themselves, they make it seem as if it is a universal issue. however, when blacks share the story, believe me it is definitely a black thing. also, did anyone notice how they called AIDS a "black woman's disease". this does not do anything for a black woman's reputation. did anyone also notice how the blame was on the girl, instead of the boy who intentionally gave her aids?

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Yes, I agree. I saw part of it and got so angry I turned the channel. I really resent them calling aids a black woman's disease. Aids is an EVERYBODY disease. No, I do not think it makes sense to air our issues on CNN. And I wonder why they never seem to mention the fact that Aids is growing in many Asian countries and is a worldwide problem. It is no respector of persons....

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evia said:
"the fact is that many non-bm can do a lot of things BETTER than bm and bm KNOW this. This is what terrifies them!"
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This is truth!!! It also explains that everytime bw talk about irr on various boards with some form of bm presence, their first order of attack is calling the bw all kinds of names but it doesn't take long for bm to broach the subject of sexual organ size and use it to denigrate other nonbm. It is the only "weapon" or strength they have or think they have. BM can't attack the wm on any other front - bm can't call wm as a group an absentee father, non-family orientated, uneducated or really a failure on any known level to measure success. Hell arguably, they run the world. So bm sink to the lowest base level and attack a false stereotype because I am sure many bw in irr are quite satified on that front.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Aphrodite said... Is it a normal part of the process that you will have to go through a lot of people before you find the decent ones?

It is a normal process - think of it as natural selection - the goal being to find "the best" man for a quality relationship means vetting and eliminating those that do not meet the criteria - they maybe decent folks but what each individual woman wants is the one that best fits her, needs, wants and criteria - remember individual standards may vary :)

Think of it like cars - it may have an engine, trunk and doors but if it does not have the features and functionality you are seeking to meet your specifications - keep shopping - if during the review - selection process something that is not up to spec shows up - stop listen to your gut instincts and gather more info - process it and then if need be move on. Be ruthless - you'd do it buying the perfect dress, bag or shoes so why should the selection of a partner be any less ruthless. As is evident from the selection of trolls that pass in the parade of fools there are a lot of them out there - some hide it better than others so it pays to take the time and ask the right questions and give the person time to "show" his true colors. If a woman is not used to being in the driver's seat in terms of who and what the standards are it will seem a little awkward at first - but after awhile the word No, it's not you it's me I am just not feeling it just rolls off the tongue. (Translation the person you are saying this to is not the one for you and you are not feeling right about the situation and it is all about what I want, what works for me and mine but it has been a pleasure)

You are most welcome Aphrodite- Hope any insight I can provide helps, I am always eager to hear what others have to say and try to give back to pay it forward.

Mary said... hey ladies, i wanted to know if you guys believe that this CNN black week event is healthy? i mean every issue i know about the white community comes from my own white friends telling me. white people do not have a white week where they discuss and air their PERSONAL dirty laundry. black people however, you can watch tyra and CNN to see what's going on, does that make sense?

This sounds more like a ratings ploy, an attempt to showcase the worse aspects of a group of people,and a revenue generator - besides talk is cheap. The 'issues' have been discussed ad nauseum - the horse is dead - let it rest in peace - stop talking and get busy. It is clear based on the current unfortunate, sorry, state of affairs - talking accomplishes nothing. The people who are talking are not doing - the people who are doing i.e. handling their business are not talking. The people handling their business are not going to be watching this because they know they issues, what developed concrete ways to deal with them and are working to solve them.

The people who are doing when they do talk speak in a) concrete terms of what has been accomplished and b) universal terms of what is in progress and what concrete steps remain to be completed. Notice the general attitude of success and accomplishment as the outcome. Listen to Obama's speeches and other successful people be they black or white and pay attention to how they frame their statements and ground them in real terms of tasks that are defined and clear. The folks doing the "discussing" tend to be doing magical thinking. Personally it sounds like CNN is doing the bread and circuses thing to amuse the masses (perhaps in hopes of feeding on America's race based fears and mis perceptions in the guise of having a dialogue and 'helping') and the "BC" is doing it's "Jerry Springer - Hot Mess - BET video vixen" finest and playing along.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Blogger LostGirl#1 said...

When they finally got to an interracial couple, it was more of a "cautionary" tale. They went out and found a couple with the the stereotypical problems: his family doesn't want to accept her/the kids and he no longer communicates with them. The struggle of how to raise the kids: white, black or bi-racial. Also, they ended the "segment" with the interracial couple saying that in light of their problems, if they had it to do over again they might not get married. *sigh* As usual, to "counter" the interracial element, they had to have a BW on a date with a BM and vowing at the end of her segment that she will wait it out for her "Ideal Black Man." I was sooooooo depressed after watching that jacked-up mess last night. Ugh.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree. I saw part of it and got so angry I turned the channel. I really resent them calling aids a black woman's disease. Aids is an EVERYBODY disease. No, I do not think it makes sense to air our issues on CNN. And I wonder why they never seem to mention the fact that Aids is growing in many Asian countries and is a worldwide problem. It is no respector of persons....
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When I heard CNN was doing this and then I heard Soledad O'Brien would be hosting it, I knew it was going to be a fiasco and just a freak side show for the viewing pleasure of white people. White people could go on safari and view the savage, primitive african right in the comfort of their own homes.

I am almost sorry to say this but Anderson Copper would have been more balanced in his reporting. Soledad ain't nothing but a female Tiger Woods. I have never cared for her and 'vetted' her from the door. And no, it isn't just because she was bi-racial, but I really never believed that she sympathized or empathized with black life at all and seemed slightly contemptous of it.

I could always tell that she was just bucking and jiving for some type of emmy or peabody award when really she was just recycling the same crap that has been being said for the last decade.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary -
From what I have watched, it�s the same theme as other shows i.e. BMR, the bm is a victim and must be uplifted.

Soledad asked a woman raising 5 sons alone, �why her son was always in so much trouble (in the hospital with a bullet in his back)?� Mother, overwhelmed with sadness, had no answer. Ummm, Soledad let me take a guess, mother bearing an IMPOSSIBLE load, no father around, runs the streets all day and night, no goals nor guidance?

It's in the same line of what Sara is discussing on this post and what PVW described in her comment regarding Ebony and Essence magazines coverage of bm. They should change the title to �Nothing New in Black America�. It will fall on bw again to shake the �bm queen�, �sister� �help-a-brotha out� hype or in 20 years we will be hearing the same story, again.

I also read that AIDS cases are also rapidly increasing in the Hispanic population. Thanks to the BW negative PR machine running 24/7you won't hear that.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i watched the cnn special last night and will certainly not be tuning back in.

i second everything miss pinky said. it was disgusting to hear them a) reiterate several times how black women *prefer* black men, but feel they have to settle for white men and b) if you do settle for a white man, you'll regret it.

as someone who has never preferred black men, i was disappointed but not at all surprised.

and did anyone notice the extreme DBRness of them cheering for a teenage boy b/c he put on a shirt and agreed to spend the day in school? WTF?

"------ always want credit for some ---- they SUPPOSED to do." --chris rock

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary, the main problem with that aunt of yours in regards to her children is that she is a bad mother. No point sugar-coating.

And I agree with you about African men. That’s why when I first came across some posters and bloggers who were talking as if what black men in the west do is not done by black African me, I just kept quiet. It’s as if because AA women are so used to men abandoning their children, that if any man, more especially a black man, takes care of his kids, he is all of a sudden ‘good’. I’ve known too many African men that cheat. And I don’t mean normal cheating, I mean the type were they all think they are your main woman. Before, they had to actually marry her, hence polygamy, nowadays, they just get these girls pregnant. And it’s harder to know if they’re being truthful, because if they could deceive their girlfriend who lives in the same country, how the hell would someone in an entirely different continent know whether or not they were lying?!

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

“It is what it is! She (Renee's friend) made some judgement calls that were not in her best interest and is living with the consequences. There but for the grace of God do we all go. It happens to every one sooner or later if they live long enough to one degree or another. Telling someone to take responsibility without also providing information and access where applicable especially when it costs nothing/minimal effort to provide - so the person can then actively take responsibility ensures they will never change. Providing information is not enabling which is letting people think everything went wrong because of someone else or relieving them of responsibility. It is merely saying it is what is so how are they going to change i.e. do better it now that they have the information i.e. know better”

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t saying they shouldn’t be given advice, they should. My point was that pretty much all of the comments were critical of the boy, the enablers, the system/mindset etc, but no one said anything about this girl making decisions which eventually proved costly. I’m not going to pretend that she was the victim of someone else’s actions when she was not. She was only a victim of her own stupidity. If she had been an adult, married to the guy, etc., then he got her pregnant and left, then yes, I’d barely blame her. However, she was a sensible girl (as the poster claimed). I’m sure what she regrets the most now is not what was done to her(which if we’re honest, was only being impregnated by a selfish individual who ended up going to jail), but more so, regrets what she did to herself!

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

“You didn't get my point. I wasn't talking about the majority of DBRbm, I was pointing out that in IRRs, most non-BM have good BW, whereas in the majority of BM/non-BW IRRs, non-BW have have DBRs (even you stated it) regardless of the money he makes. I mean everytime I meet a BM with a non-BW 9 times outta 10 he will flaunt her to my face, hence the DBRness. Again, I wasn't talking about the majority of BW (otherwise we wouldn't be talking about attacks and disrespect of BW here), my point was that IRRs of non-BM/BW seem to be HEALTHIER and more GENUINE than BM/non-WW and I gave examples. I don't know what's so off about that statement.”
Well now that you put it that way, I agree with you. That is the point I was trying to make in my reply to you, which, as it turns out, is what you actually meant. I misunderstood, my apologies.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

“If a woman tolerates mistreatment, it's going to happen. My ex is a good man, but if I had allowed it, he would not have treated me AS well. The same goes for my present husband. The only reason why I'm treated well by men is because I insist on it. I insist on reciprocity and I'm not shy about that--at all.”

I only agree with you partially. The way you talk about your ex and present husband, it seems to me they were/are both good men. So I don’t think they would have treated you bad even if you had tolerated it. That is just what good men do. They do right. The problem arises because alot of black women have been told that all they need to do is change this, change that, God is listening, etc., for a man to fall into their lap. Yet no one(especially in the churches were loads of bw are) says that they may be looking in the wrong place and for the wrong type.
Oh, I just saw the part where you wrote “AS well”. That, I agree with. I think that no matter how good the character of a man is, even if he treats a woman well, the way she insists on being treated would also mean he’d respect her alot more.

“If the situation were reversed, and bm had the natural and other assets that bw have, they'd be GONE.”
Can you believe, when I said this on another site, there was a bm arguing with me that ‘bw have nothing’.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

“It is the only "weapon" or strength they have or think they have. BM can't attack the wm on any other front - bm can't call wm as a group an absentee father, non-family orientated, uneducated or really a failure on any known level to measure success. Hell arguably, they run the world.”


I agree with the first part that that seems to be the only defence most bm come up with(even though we all know it’s a myth). As for the last part, wm DO NOT RUN THE WORLD. Not even remotely. Go outside any predominantly white country(which is pretty much almost every country on this planet), and then tell me that white men run things there as well. Please, stop thinking like that!

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shalom,

I just bought the Black issue of Vogue and it is truly.....Vogue! :o)

As a matter of fact I did NOT have to pay a dime. I used my Borders gift card that my brother gave me a couple of years ago.**cheezing** Came in handy!! It came to $17.00 and some change. You can call and see if they have it,if they do, then have them hold it. The location I went to will only hold it for a day.

..I am about to brush up on my Italian...

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon said...
It is the only "weapon" or strength they have or think they have.
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This sounds rather whorish. But they like to calls us garden implements!

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ jalilimaster,

It's all good girl!! :)

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am almost sorry to say this but Anderson Copper would have been more balanced in his reporting."

you could say that again. the only reason why i watched it was for the interracial segment and instead i felt like these women were complaining that they are thinking about dating outside their race. They don't have to complain about it they can just sit there and wait on their IBM...no one is forcing them to date out.

They should have picked a happy interracial couple who didn't give a damn about whether the extended family wanted to see the kids or not. If someone who was curious about dating out,they got a negative idea about it.

as for the woman waiting on her IBM she'll be waiting for a lifetime. i really doubt that date went anything further from what we saw and who knows when she'll go on her next date.

i think they just need to stop with these specials.

phantom mare...your so lucky to find the magazine in my area they either don't carry it or they're sold out. The one that's sold out is suppose to have another shippment and they don't even know when that's coming. Im starting to think about buying it online. i want this magazine so bad.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ladies

I got the Italian Vogue from a friend who works at Borders. I got the one with Naomi Campbell on the front page. She looks gorgeous in the mag. The pics a beautiful. It was worth the 15 dollars.

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

This is media image making at it's finest. If these people were that unhappy (the interracial couple) would they really still be together! No, they would not! That was such bull. They deliberately designed the whole segment to encourage bw to wait for the IBM knowing good and well he is not coming and those women (who wait) will be doomed to lonliness, dispair, and frustration. However this will certainly make them much easier to dupe and control.... There is always a method to their madness. They want bw to be despondent and to hold on that crazy idealic dream of bm straightening up and coming to take bw off into fairyland. It wont' happen. First of all few bm in this day and age are worth riding off with, and second most of those men (the ones who are not gay )are looking for ww to ride off with... It's time to take bw by the shoulders and shake some sense into them.....

 
At Thursday, July 24, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post! BTW, who is the couple in the picture on the right titled "Love in the nick of time....."?

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Hi Jess, that's Robin Thicke and his beautiful wife Paula.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

*1 out of every 50 bm has AIDS, not black women! Andrew, have you been tested yet? What about the bf you had while in prison...has he been tested?lmao!

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"
stephanie said...
Good for you, Renee! God, it's apalling that a black woman with a mind and the audacity to use it is considered a race traitor. This blog and evia's have me seriously considering starting one of my own. The more voices calling for love and protection of black women and children, the better!"
----Amen, Steph,amen!!!-----

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is media image making at it's finest. If these people were that unhappy (the interracial couple) would they really still be together! No, they would not! That was such bull.

Fair enough. But let's be fair across the board. Many regulars here insist that wm/bw couples are so much better and stronger than bm/ww couples. Then how come there are about 250% more bm/ww marriages then there are wm/bw marriages (and I think the just dating but not married number is even higher)?

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Sara posts Mr L.Queens comments for entertainment because he truly is a great comedian. I haven't stoped laughing yet at his posts! I do feel kinda bad about laughing at the mentaly ill though.lmao

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And I agree with you about African men. That’s why when I first came across some posters and bloggers who were talking as if what black men in the west do is not done by black African me, I just kept quiet. It’s as if because AA women are so used to men abandoning their children, that if any man, more especially a black man, takes care of his kids, he is all of a sudden ‘good’. I’ve known too many African men that cheat. And I don’t mean normal cheating, I mean the type were they all think they are your main woman. Before, they had to actually marry her, hence polygamy, nowadays, they just get these girls pregnant. And it’s harder to know if they’re being truthful, because if they could deceive their girlfriend who lives in the same country, how the hell would someone in an entirely different continent know whether or not they were lying?!"

what AA women have told me about african men is that they are very nice, at first, but once they have you its another story. about the cheating thing, like i tell my friends, i am simply SCARED of african men. when i say i only know less than a handful of faithful well-behaved african men, it is not a joke. and these supposedly faithful men, who really knows?

anyways, people please stop watching CNN. there is no reason why any of us (especially us in here) should be encouraging this nonsense. but, do yall believe white americans have also eaten up the "poor black man" act, cause it seems like the special gave them a lot of excuses for their failures. also, did yall notice, when black men talk about their issues, they focused on BLACK MEN and their own issues. however, when black women discuss their issue, its black men this, black community that, black children this. i just want to slap some of these women, i mean SERIOUSLY, wake up!!!! they obviously don't CARE about you!!!

also, did anyone see how that light-skinned man from princeton, when he mentioned how his light skin color gave him opportunities, did anyone see how soledad o'brien responded, she basically sqashed his speech before he even started (in a very hostile manner btw). meanwhile, if yall notice, the face of AA success in america is not that of dark-skinned women and men, but of light-skinned women and men? (its not a coincidence that Obama is the first serious AA candidate - he is biracial). Soledad needs to calm down, especially with HER skin tone. the first time i saw the commercials, i was actually wondering WHY they were letting her host it, why was she saying everyone in america will know how it feels like to be black? yall, this woman can "pass". she definitely passed with me.

Mary

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger TC said...

I watched a bit of the CNN special with Spike Lee explaining how studios would give him $100 million to film a comedy in which blacks acted dumb, but they won't fund serious black films. Spike's speech reminded me that we don't need documentaries and specials to improve our image. We need movies, TV, and YouTube.

Currently, almost every black woman in commercials is older, overweight and talking about digestive problems. Our films take place in beauty or barber shops; we're the sidekicks in mainstream TV. And don't get me started on Tyler Perry. On "House of Payne" the older woman is a mammy figure, the ex-wife a former junkie, "Little Rudy" a former thief, and every mother is a bad mother. They say he writes from experience. I say go out and get some new experiences because he's representing all of us; therefore he has the responsibility to be balanced. "Norbit," "Big Momma's House," and "Why Did I Get Married" are representing black women in a negative light. "Waiting to Exhale" made us look like desperate, trampy shrews.

We need to take back our films, take back our videos, take back our voices. We do need comedies, but we need ones in which we are cute and funny, not disgusting and poked fun of. We need black equivalents of "Legally Blonde" and "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." Seriously, we need fluffy films in which the black women are fit, attractive, have jobs outside of cosmetology, don't have kids as souvenirs of past non-martial relationships, and are shown as having fun and being fun. Some may say this type of film is unrealistic. To that I say, what's so realistic about mummies coming back to life, pregnant women getting promotions for being pregnant, and thinking your ex showing up to stop your wedding to another is romantic?

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

I concur on everything that was posted about C-No-No's special. I watched about 10 minutes of that garbage and wouldn't you know it was the segment about the sucessful black dude and his family. Much props to him getting out of the ghetto and raising sucessful black men. ALL of his sons married ww and yet him and his wife had no problems with it. He said that he raised his sons around all kinds of people and let them choose. That's the way it should be and basically that's how I'm raising my daughters.

However I wish they would have interviewed the sons when it came to the IR portion of the segment.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Anon, in regards to there being 250% more bm married to ww that is utter bullsh*t! They have been trying so hard to lie about those numbers that every single poll will give you a different number. What is known for a fact is that the number of bm marrying ww has only doubled while the number of bw marrying wm has quadrupled! Here is one survey on that stat......

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In a recent Gallup/USA Today poll, 57 percent of teenagers said they'd dated someone from another race, up from 17 percent just 20 years ago. The number of interracial marriages has more than doubled in that same period, and while blacks are still less likely to marry outside their race than other minority groups, the number of black-white marriages has almost tripled. Maybe most remarkable, because Edwards is right that the trend has favored black men, the number of black women marrying white men has more than quadrupled, while the number of black men with white wives only doubled. In 1998, black-white couples in which the wife is black made up 37 percent of all black-white marriages nationwide, up from only 22 percent in 1980. It's not 50-50 parity yet, but at that rate of change, we'll get there soon. Race-mixing is clearly the future, and the more I looked at the data, the more I felt sympathy for Edwards, rather than resentment, because she's clearly clinging to a bygone past.

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I don't know where you got the 250% more figure (I suspect you made it up) but no matter. I noticed you posted several nasty messages under the guise of Anon. I suggest if you are too cowardly to even give a name -go give your opinion elsewhere. I notice the more bw wake up the games being played on them, the more bm turn on me like rabid dogs, thinking it's my fault. If you fools want to know why you are losing bw left and right, look in the damn mirror and realize that YOUR ACTIONS are causing this revolt -NOT MINE! My blog is just one tiny voice that will soon be joined by thousands of others and when that happens-there will be no stopping this train. You think you're pissed now? Give it a little more time.....

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Many regulars here insist that wm/bw couples are so much better and stronger than bm/ww couples. Then how come there are about 250% more bm/ww marriages then there are wm/bw marriages? "

Your point being? If we were to go by the number of customers which each major restaurant chain serves each year, then we'd conclude McDonalds must be the finest kind of restaurant in the world. The fact of the matter is that McDonalds is nothing but an easy-in, easy-out fastfood/junkfood joint.

White male/black female relationships seem noticeably more stable for some odd reason, and also appear more focused on things like interpersonal harmony and quality than the reverse matchup is. That observation is being made by many people from many different backgrounds. Likewise, if we were to take a look at the statistics of how many bi-racial children are fatherless or have divorced parents, then we'd find that the children from black men/white women couplings are overrepresented in them in terms of adjusted percentage. In white male/black female couplings this occurance again is noticeably less frequent, even though we essentially should be talking about the exact same thing in both cases: a coupling between a black person and a white person.

Thus, this issue places itself on the foreground.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary said...

"Soledad needs to calm down, especially with HER skin tone. the first time i saw the commercials, i was actually wondering WHY they were letting her host it, why was she saying everyone in america will know how it feels like to be black? yall, this woman can "pass". she definitely passed with me."

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Soledad O'brien with white husband Brad Raymond... (wearing red headband)

http://harlemrunner.blogspot.com/2007/06/soledad-god-sixth-sense.html

Her four children...

http://www.traditionalhome.com/images/img_soledadobrien_2.jpg

Soledad is just FRONTIN. She may publicly make excuses for (and act like she cares about the plight of the "po oppressed black man"), but she married THE man and bore him 4 children.

Actions speak louder than words.

So you can't believe everything this child says. She's just saying what most black folks WANT to hear.

To stay employed and "relevant" to the "community".

It's merely a GAME to her in order to get PAID. I don't blame her.

ALL that matters to me is Soledad KNOWS "what time it is" and married WELL.

Just like her momma did.

SMART sistas!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soledad_O'Brien

Since 1995 O'Brien has been married to Bradley Raymond, co-head of investment banking at Thomas Weisel Partners. Together they have two daughters and twin sons: Sofia Elizabeth (born October 23, 2000); Cecilia (born March 20, 2002); and Charlie and Jackson on August 30, 2004.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger PVW said...

Reminding those in Atlanta that dating out is a matter of survival: AIDS in the community:

http://www.kaiwright.com/new_more.php?id=378_0_28_0_M

K. Wright is a black gay man writing about the AIDS epidemic.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger IeshaDressesCute said...

also, did anyone see how that light-skinned man from princeton, when he mentioned how his light skin color gave him opportunities, did anyone see how soledad o'brien responded, she basically sqashed his speech before he even started (in a very hostile manner btw). meanwhile, if yall notice, the face of AA success in america is not that of dark-skinned women and men, but of light-skinned women and men? (its not a coincidence that Obama is the first serious AA candidate - he is biracial). Soledad needs to calm down, especially with HER skin tone. the first time i saw the commercials, i was actually wondering WHY they were letting her host it, why was she saying everyone in america will know how it feels like to be black? yall, this woman can "pass". she definitely passed with me.

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oh my goddness.... Are u serious!?!? I wouldnt go as far to call you a troll-- but that comment was very "troll-ish"

I've seen ALL shades of successful black ppl. The reason why they're successful is because they've WORKED HARD for it. Instead of sitting around and using their "race" or skin color as some sort of handicap or an excuse to be triflin and lazy... So stop trying to stir up a light skin v. dark skin debate. You get outta life what you put into it.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger LostGirl#1 said...

"My blog is just one tiny voice that will soon be joined by thousands of others and when that happens-there will be no stopping this train. You think you're pissed now? Give it a little more time....."

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Chooo-Chooo...Chugga..Chuggha..Chugga

LOL...the train is most def rolling on ! All Aboard !!

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger bwdb said...

Sara...Another great blog!...I have been keeping up (just kinda silent lately)....I plan to kick up my blogging again soon in the near future and after tying up some work committments...LOVE the stories!

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger EmergingPhoenix said...

Actaully Sara, I disagree. They did design this segment to encourage bw to remain in wait for the IBM, but I dont think they necessarily WANT bw to remain despondent. The truth is obvious, sad, and pathetic. They NEED bw to remain in wait for these men. However, they want this without any promises or insurance to the well-being of that bw who sacrifices. And as we all know, that woman will then be publicly maligned when something goes wrong with her refurbished piece of a man. This is why they fight us with such fervor, b/c they know we are speaking the truth...heck, a lot of us are speaking our own personal truths.

As for the glaringly obvious differences in the 2 Black in America segments, I would like to offer a different perspective. They did not have much to talk about in regards to bw, except the high AIDs infection rate, and the one parent households. Both of which could possibly be attributed to bw who will only remain faithful to bm. BW are doing their thing, despite all odds against them. We still experience racism AND sexism, but…”still we rise”…

They don’t know how to tell our story, b/c they don’t understand our story. Furthermore, there is not much tangible negative things to report on, and as someone said on this blog or another, CNN doesn’t have time to report on the petty needs of people who are succeeding, and CNN can’t make people respect us, which is what we seem to have to fight for everyday. So take it for what they couldn’t seem to say properly…a lot of BW are actually doing amazingly very well for themselves as individuals.

As for Soledad shutting down the man who admitted to advantages in being light-skinned…SMH…Soledad, why? I used to love this woman, but it has become clear, that she is part of the misguided. She wants to be black when it affords her privilege and sympathy, but she will be quick to distance herself by pointing out that she is biracial, and thus “different”, when the shyte hits the fan. She’s the reason I started watching CNN religiously, many years ago. When they featured her beautiful family, I thought, when I am ready for marriage that is what I will want (wasn’t even necessarily focusing on the fact that her husband was white, just how happy and beaming she was). I am sooo disappointed, but not surprised in the least.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

Mary said:

Soledad needs to calm down, especially with HER skin tone. the first time i saw the commercials, i was actually wondering WHY they were letting her host it, why was she saying everyone in america will know how it feels like to be black? yall, this woman can "pass". she definitely passed with me.
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There are some wonderful conversations going on here btw. Not much to add..but I do want to say something in support of Soledad...

I am pretty sure she is not trying to "pass"..Soledad is half white (Dad is Australian and her Mom is Black Cuban...A gorgeous chocolate woman with a short afro) I think women who come from these kind of unions (bw/wm)tend to have a greater affinity for the plight of the bw..because the most influential woman in their life is a bw.... and if you look at Soledad (what a great name btw..a tribute to both parts of her heritage)you can clearly see she has African blood..it is not only about the skin tone...she's ok by me..I take greater umbrage at the content of what I am seeing in this program than I do with the host...I have no issue with the host at all...

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Thanks Emerging, That made alot of sense. You always know how to restore the calm when things get a little 'hot'. The trolls are coming out of the woodwork like roaches lately, and I admit, it's getting on my nerves because they have nothing to say when bm trouce all over bw. They have nothing to say when bw SERVE the whole world and then have no damn body take them to the hospital and are left to die on the hospital floor like a dog. They have nothing to say when BW can't be safe in their own homes for fear a 'brother' will break in with his friends and have a rape party, while people 'NAP' next door. But when we try to take our own empowerment into our own hands, these sorry ass people want to scream and shout. Well scream and shout until your lungs collapse because WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON (OUR OWN) BETTERMENT OVER HERE!!!! And Everybody who has a problem with it - Go tell someone who gives a DAMN! From now on Trolls will be deleted from the jump. (including you Mr L.) stop wasting your life writing me -Your comments will NOT be posted....

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for Soledad shutting down the man who admitted to advantages in being light-skinned…SMH…Soledad, why? I used to love this woman, but it has become clear, that she is part of the misguided. She wants to be black when it affords her privilege and sympathy, but she will be quick to distance herself by pointing out that she is biracial, and thus “different”, when the shyte hits the fan. She’s the reason I started watching CNN religiously, many years ago. When they featured her beautiful family, I thought, when I am ready for marriage that is what I will want (wasn’t even necessarily focusing on the fact that her husband was white, just how happy and beaming she was). I am sooo disappointed, but not surprised in the least.
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Amen. This is what made the bw segment as regards to irr an even more bitter pill to swallow. Soledad is a bi-racial woman married to a wm with mixed raced children so why was the segment so flippin' damn mammified? Did she 'settle' for a wm because they were no good black 'brothers' around? Or is it because she isn't like "those woman" because she ain't black? Is she special somehow? Why feature bw who see irr as settling or who are awaiting their black massa kang to come galluping up and carry them off to become kang and queen of the black community? Just like ALL five black sons of the well-to-do black family, there are black women who just prefer wm and see them as more attractive & desirable and could give a damn about the so called black community and what people think. I am so tired of the woe is me bw mess.

I can't believe that Soledad is saying this documentary took a year to do. She might as well have just went into the CNN archives and dig up some old footage and piece it together because she wasn't saying anything new or offering any solutions.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I take greater umbrage at the content of what I am seeing in this program than I do with the host...I have no issue with the host at all...
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Delishmish, I have to disagree with you here. Soledad isn't just the host of the show. She isn't akin to a Mary Hart or Joan Rivers reading off a teleprompter. She is a reporter and is a special correspondent on this documentary much like a Christanne Amanpour. Soledad did have something to do with the content. I am sure she doesn't have editing power to the extent of a Mike Wallace or perhaps even an Anderson Cooper, but to think that she just was a pretty face that showed up after all the material was complete ready to read a script prepared by others is ludicrous. She was involved from go.

This junk has made me think that she is ready to throw black folks, especially bw, to the wolves and has lessened her journalistic intregrity.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Fair enough. But let's be fair across the board. Many regulars here insist that wm/bw couples are so much better and stronger than bm/ww couples. Then how come there are about 250% more bm/ww marriages then there are wm/bw marriages (and I think the just dating but not married number is even higher)?"

250%? Where? In Lalaland? Andrew, you ain't slick....I mean "Anon", let me answer real quick. You need to consider the fact that BW in an IRR is still a TABOO in the BC and the consequences for her are FAR worse, she risks being ostracized, she risks being ATTACKED with her man by BM. That's the main reason so many BW are scared to date out, because fear, brainwashing, guilt, threats are used on them so that they don't even THINK about dating out. The double standards between BM and BW when it comes to IRRs are blatant. That's why BM in IRRs are more common in the first place.

In short, BW/WM couples are less common because of BW have being indocrinated. And they are stronger because they choose to be together in spite of the amount of hostility they KNOW they may have to face.

And things are SURELY changing now, otherwise we wouldn't have all these blogs, we wouldn't have Something New, Guess Who, or Akira's Hip Hop Shop and the list goes on, we wouldn't have BW/WM couples in Soul music (chrisette michelle - Love is you), RnB (kelly rowland - Come Back), Pop/Rock/Other (Rihanna & Maroon 5, Gnarls Barkley's latest's video - Who's gonna save my soul), Disney's first Black Princess in an IRR. If the media pays so much attention, there HAS to be a reason, right?

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger EmergingPhoenix said...

@Delishmish - You make a great point, and I have to admit, that I hesitated to post this one part b/c I knew how inflammatory and unfair it might be: "She wants to be black when it affords her privilege and sympathy, but she will be quick to distance herself by pointing out that she is biracial, and thus “different”, when the shyte hits the fan."

@Sara - Not a problem. Thank you for inspiring some great converations and thoughts. And a definite thanks for all of the wealth and beauty tips. I think u inspire a lot of women (or whomever is reading ur blog) to think outside of the box.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

oh my goddness.... Are u serious!?!? I wouldnt go as far to call you a troll-- but that comment was very "troll-ish"

I've seen ALL shades of successful black ppl. The reason why they're successful is because they've WORKED HARD for it. Instead of sitting around and using their "race" or skin color as some sort of handicap or an excuse to be triflin and lazy... So stop trying to stir up a light skin v. dark skin debate. You get outta life what you put into it.


Real Talk!!! I'm so sick and tired of black folks not only making excuses for not handling THEIR business but also for making excuses for those that do lol.

I can remember many a snowy night I battled 20 below zero weather just to sit in lonely classrooms (until 10 at night) trying to get that little piece of paper to hang in my office or post in my "Love Me Book", shipping my daughter from babysitter to babysitter because of deployments and out-of-state-training. Although many people will say that I've made it or "done good" I still have a ways to go.

I'm not "light" by any means and what I have and achieved had nothing to do with how I look. It’s what I did with my TIME (and in some cases my money) that has placed me where I am today.

Obama's opportunities, hard work, maturity, sacrifices and family support is the reason why he's where he's at today. In my days of traditional schooling I could count on one hand the number of bm that sat in class with me. Most of the colleges were either on post or near a military town so education was pretty much free. During that time of my life I was really rooting for brothers to get it together. Now I could care less.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

AMEN Sara :-P

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Anonymous said... Actions speak louder than words.So you can't believe everything this child says.... She's just saying what most black folks WANT to hear...It's merely a GAME to her in order to get PAID. I don't blame her. ALL that matters to me is Soledad KNOWS "what time it is" and married WELL.SMART sistas!"

While I do not intend to sell my soul and sell folks be part of the game of oppressing others for personal gain - there are some solid truths that can be mined from this post and others.

Let's be SMART here ladies.

S= Strategic. Know what time it is! Own and Proclaim your fabulousness! - Vogue only validates the truth that has been hidden to long and that we all know is true!

M= Make wise choices that are in YOUR OWN BEST INTEREST.

A= Act. Advocate for your best life. Act only on your well being and behalf.

R= Ruthless. Remove ourselves from those that do not promote or share having our best interests at heart.

T= Tactical - Techniques. Be willing to game the system if that is what it takes. Let people think what they want, as long as they do not directly harm or impact your mission and stay on point

Tell folks what the want to hear - if it is what it takes to stay safe - i.e. if you cannot cross the street when you see crazy coming (i.e. there are people in your life or situation(s)circumstances that you cannot immediately and safely exit)Always put your safety and well being first - buy time until you can get out - never argue with a troll. Eliminate as many as possible ASAP. All that matters is getting what is in your best interest - be healthy self interested/invested.

Take actions in your best interest i.e. vet everyone that comes into your path, learn to see through people - kick 'em to the curb with a quickness if they fail to walk the talk. If they do not make the grade - let them go back to school on someone elses dime you do not have the time!

This may not be a twelve step plan - but it is a roll call - get heavily self invested in your own best interest and paid with the life you deserve.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

MARY

“They NEED bw to remain in wait for these men."


i can understand WHY bm would want bw to wait on them. i can definitely understand why ww would want bw to wait on bm, but wm, why???? and maybe i'm just a bit slow, but why would white men want bw to wait on bm?

"oh my goddness.... Are u serious!?!? I wouldnt go as far to call you a troll-- but that comment was very "troll-ish"

I've seen ALL shades of successful black ppl. The reason why they're successful is because they've WORKED HARD for it. Instead of sitting around and using their "race" or skin color as some sort of handicap or an excuse to be triflin and lazy... So stop trying to stir up a light skin v. dark skin debate. You get outta life what you put into it."

huh?, of course i am serious. as a dark-skinned african female i can tell you people gauge your intelligence based on looks. talking about colorism should not be a divisive issue. there are many articles online that discuss skin tone and employability. so yes, i am serious.


"Currently, almost every black woman in commercials is older, overweight and talking about digestive problems."

i have also noticed this and it always confuses me. even when you have an interracial couple with a bw/wm, they are ALWAYS an older couple. even on Disney channel, sometimes, you see a bm showing interest in a white female, however, they NEVER show the opposite. yall, WE should be attacking this. millions of children watch Disney channel and i'm sure they pick up on the social cues presented (ie are they desirable or not, are they feminine or are they masculine). ie, the white girl is almost always the lead. if she is not the lead (in the case of raven), she has a white best friend. and raven's love interest is always a black male (sometimes biracial but obviously black). also, the white male's love interest is always either white, asian or latina girls, NEVER black girls (this says a lot about the desirability of black females since the black male's love interest is a non-black female and the white male's love interest is a non-black female). if we really want to change things, children are a good place to start. when my little sister (the one forcing me to watch Disney channel in the first place) came home with a Zach Eferon poster, i was very happy. The last thing I ever want her to become is a dbrbm-loving black female.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, Taylor-Sara. So deep and so true. It is sad how bw have no one to help them when they need it. The trolls have no place here, especially since they are not doing anything except call bw names.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

I hope I did not mispeak before I defended Soledad..I did not see the actual excerpt that was being referenced ..I just follow the conversation here, as I see it unfold..and I have seen some of the program...In any case, I definitely don't want any of the wise women (not you, MISS Laurelton) who make comments on this blog to think that I blithely and without thought make my statements.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ The Oracle and Selena. Preach on it!! I mean Michelle Obama, Whoopi and Oprah made it, these women aren't anywhere near "light-skinned". And if we wanna be specific about skin shade, Barack is nowhere near Alicia Keys, I see a brownskinned man, not lightskinned.

@ Great post clarice. We gotta be S-M-A-R-T!

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Soledad O'Brien looks exactly like a WW. How exactly does she represent BW? I mean, look at her: http://www.kepplerspeakers.com/literature/OBrien-S.jpg


I didn't see the CNN special but when I Googled her image I thought I was looking at a Becky!

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger PVW said...

Some of her own words:

Though she built her reputation as a newsperson asking the tough questions, she says, “I don’t think of myself as a strong woman, but as resilient and flexible. Flexibility is what enables me to juggle a family—including time for the really fun, silly stuff—with a fulfilling, interesting career. More than anything else, it’s my flexibility I’m most proud of.”

“I want to tell younger women they can have a husband, children, and a career, if they stay flexible and balanced.”

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

I guess what disappointed me about soledad is that there are so many concerns that black women have and she wants to focus on aids and single parenthood. what about the fact that married black women are the main ones at risk with aids, what about the invisible glass ceiling that many black women face in their careers, what about domestic violence (or is that only a ww’s concern), what about the harassment and guilt-trip black women get for being in IRR. Instead of doing that, she went ahead and painted the same tired picture of black women as poor, desperate women victimizing with bm. geez, its 2008 for goodness' sake.


@ selena,
"I'm so sick and tired of black folks not only making excuses for not handling THEIR business but also for making excuses for those that do lol. "

acknowledging an evil in american and world societies is not making excuses. colorism does exist and talking about it is not making excuses. i am a dark-skinned female with a B.S. (although i'm not done yet), so i obviously handle my business. i'm just acknowledging something that no one likes to talk about. for goodness' sake, my ex-roomate's boyfriend (american born and raised) told me that only dark-skinned black people live in the "hood". where or where did he get that impression from? watch CNN, commercials, or any tv channel all day and see the number of dark-skinned black people you see???? then count the number of light-skinned blacks you see??? i'm just acknowledging an evil

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clarice,

I really like your style. Thanks again for the info.

I am off to make my list of specifications! :)

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

@ Mary,

Yes I think we all have acknowledged that colorism exists and is def a problem within the bc and many other ethnic groups. Hell Youtube has a dozen or so commercials shot in India to prove it. However there comes a point in time when you must acknowledge your own shortcomings and mistakes.

To totally disregard someone else's accomplishments by merely saying they got there because he/she was white, black, short, tall, fat, ect is quite an injustice to those that have truly worked hard. In most cases haters will say anything to deflect their failures onto someone else.

Just like The Oracle said, the comment was quite troll-ish. My skin has never hampered my ability to find a job, hold one down nor has it stopped me from dating or even getting married.

This blog is about IRR and bw taking care of self so this will be my last comment on the "light-skin" debate.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

Hey Pinky I just bought my ticket and packed my bags ;-p

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger IeshaDressesCute said...

The Oracle and Selena. Preach on it!! I mean Michelle Obama, Whoopi and Oprah made it, these women aren't anywhere near "light-skinned".

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for real, the list goes on and on too. but some people are just hell bent on having pity parties for themsleves

I hate to say it but im glad i got away from the bc, because defeatist thinking like this is all to common =/

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Blogger IeshaDressesCute said...

@ selena

I totally agree with u. its interesting how she claims light skin ppl are more successful, educated ect., but yet she (a dark skin bw) is in college working on a BS degree. ::scratches head::: hmmm doesnt that NEGATE her earlier claim????


if she truly believed that malarky, why is she even bothering to further her education!!? since her fate is already sealed....being a "dark skin bw" and all {{sarcasm}}

my god i wish some of these folks would stay at blackvoices ::rolleyes::

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can anyone be against light people. Look at the side bar? If you get with a white person you child will be light. So how can you be on this board and hate your own child?

Black people need to realize that brow beating people does not get them on your side. Constantly moaning with no action is not going to do anything.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Sara and others interested,

concerning the girl who was beaten up by her black male 'friends', it happened here in the UK. I have searched for the story on the internet but haven't found a single thing about it. am i surprised? NO. This is like the number 1 hearthrob footballer at the moment. he also won two awards for best footballer of the year. so any story concerning him and a black chick will probably be swept under the carpet by the jealous and insecure pple in the media.
anyway i saw the story in a small caption in a newspaper once and i say it in a black newspaper as well. they were both said as 'passing' (i.e. irrelevant) issues (the way anything involving black females is in the UK).

I am sorry i was not able to find a link to the story but i will try and find out if anyone on a black uk blog knows.

to those who do not know the full gist, this is basically what happened:
black girl sitting in room/house with black male friends. tv is on. there is news about christiano ronaldo (the footballer) and he is shown on tv.
black girl: i find christiano ronaldo very attractive
black guys (don't know how many but there were atleast 3 if my memory serves me well): eww how can u fink that white boi is fine??
black girl: he is! i would date him in a second.
this then pisses the black guys off and they attacked her.

what is sad is that:
1. these guys were supposed to be her friends.
2. she was supposed to be in the comfort of her home or atleast a friends home
3. i think one of the guys was even related to her

when i firts read the story i actually thought it was a joke until my sister confirmed that she also heard it then i read it in the second newspaper.

add to the fact as jalilimaster said, in the uk, 50% of bm are married interracially, mostly to white women. i can bet that those idiotic boys were most probably dating white girls.

i'll continue searching to see if there is atleast a mention of the story somewhere...maybe on uk black blogs but i wouldn' hold my breath.

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

btw the MEGA HOT christiano ronaldo has dated atleast two blaxk girls before. there was a picture on facebook with him flirting with one of them on the beach and in a yacht (when they were on holiday). u needed to see the hateration that the women began coming out with. they called her B***h, Ugly and other racially offensive names i will not put her (those had to be taken down but the b***h and ugly were left). the girl in question was dark skinned. her face was average but her body was banging!!!. these girls began saying things like 'she thinks cos she has a hot body, she can date him'. I was just like, get a f*****g life you losers!! No surprisingly, it was the guys (non-black) obvously who were on the board that mostly told these pathetic girls off...although they were mostly pissed off at the fact that a group they had created as atribute to his great footballer was turning into somewhere where irls could drool at his greek-god-like physique...lol

 
At Friday, July 25, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is him in all his sexiness. (not sure if u'll let me post a pic but i'll try)

.....well i tried but it ain't working so you guys will have to google him yourself and drool. lol

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sara and sellout ilk

I see you continue to think kissing the white man's toes as the solution to your problems. The economy is in a recession and you continue to blame black men once again for your issues. I guess you will blame white man too when they decide not to date you also ( I doubt you will because you got no backbone). I find it interesting that you call black men DBR. But the black women that sleep with them are not DBR???? That includes black women who sleep with white men too and sleep with black men at the same time. ( Never talked about)

That is why your blog is amusing to me. You won't tell your white members that sellout black women sleep with black men secretly. Yet black men is every bad word in the book. On top of that the HIV rates being high for black women is due to drug abuse. You won't tell your members that black women have a dirty secret of using drugs and be alcoholics.

Black men have their problems but if you think black women are immune to these problems you really make me laugh. I don't care for drug dealers , I really disdain them. But the majority of their customers is black women and white men.

Like I said it is real easy to tell other people to clean up their backyard but you sure won't clean up your own backyard.

Sincerely

Mr Laurelton Queens

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@ andrew,

do u know what the phrase 'get a f*****g life' means? well i hope u do.
do u think calling pple here 'sell out' will change anything? i hope not bcos it won't. we will date and marry who we please and will not give a rat's ass about what any nonentitii like you thinks.

as for bw sleeping with both bm and wm. if what u mean is being in a relationship with a wm and cheating with a bm, well i can say it doesn't happen much for those of who are actually DATING interracially and not those still foolishly hoping and praying for that 'ideal bm' (...please..) to come into her life. Is it that you assume that bcos a lot of bm in ir cheat with bw, then bw must be doing the same? sorry to dissapoint you but those bw that cheat on their wm partners (and they are few) are the same bw that cheat on their bm partners....so basically they ar just bw who cheat. these are not bw who are married to or in serious or honest relationships with wm. the fact that we contantly see bm who are married to non-bw (esp ww) sneak out and chase bw, doesn't mean bw do the same. GET THAT INTO YOUR EVER SO THICK SKULL!!!

I know a bm (he's african american) who decided that he would never date interracially. this was a surprise seeing as most of his friends were maried to ww. when asked why, he said that his best friend is married to a ww. yet when he and the friend go out clubbing, the friend only ever wants to go to black clubs. he even prefers the more ghetto ones. i assumed that it was bcos he believed the girls there would be easier. the guy then said that the reason the friend prefers the ghetto ones is bcos he will see a higher proportion of bw there. the disgusting guy picks up bw, lies to them about his relationship situation, courts them for weeks and even months and has sexual relations (not relationships) with them. he gets his friends (including the one i know) to act as his friends, work colleagues, family etc. when the women get suspicious or too serious, he begins looking for his next booty call.
another one of this guys friends only dates ww yet only cheats with bw. when the guy i know asked these men, they both said that their wife doesn't satisfy them sexually, they are more attracted to bw etc and all the usual bullsh*t. the married one even said that he was not and has never been sexually attracted to his wife...even b4 they got married. its scenarios like this that make pple say that bm/ww relationships don't always seem genuine. now turn this story and let it be about a bw...it wouldn't even seem very plausible yet this is something happening with a lot of bm in ir. i actually feel sorry for the non-bw with these men cos a lot of the time, they have no idea as to the kind of man they actually married.

back to andrew,
when bm come on these boards calling bw things like sellout, most of he time, they are in ir or support and give props to bm in ir. so inside a lot of you, u know that a lot of bm in ir do it out of self-hate so assume bw must be doing the same. WRONG! it is bw self hate that makes them accept dbrs like you bcos they believe they deserve no better. those of us who know our worth and love oursleves choose to love and be loved by who we please.
as for your drugs and alcoholic comment.....as i said before.....GET A F*****G LIFE YOU PATHETIC LOSER! see yourself out

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Blogger FunkyStarkitty50 said...

I've seen his pics on another site. and he really is something to behold..lol

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

@ oracle:
"I totally agree with u. its interesting how she claims light skin ppl are more successful, educated ect., but yet she (a dark skin bw) is in college working on a BS degree. ::scratches head::: hmmm doesnt that NEGATE her earlier claim????"

how does that negate my earlier claim? In America, light skin ppl are more successful/educated than their dark-skinned counterparts. Ta dah! It’s a fact!! Also, did I say that dark-skinned people sat around doing nothing because of it, NO! read first before spewing utter nonsense!

for goodness’ sake, being light-skinned is a boost in almost all areas in life in America and the world, give me a break alright, its an honest observation!! What is your problem exactly? did I ever say dark-skinned blacks were not successful? No, I said in America and the world, light-skinned blacks were more successful and educated (that color does give them a boost), so what? What is the problem here. I should not acknowledge that light-skinned people have an edge? JESUS!!! They do have an edge and Soledad with her skin tone should be the last one saying colorism doesn’t exist. Geez! Is there a reason why you’re sooo defensive??

just google "skin tone and employment"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=5Rb&pwst=1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=skin+tone+and+employment&spell=1

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey ladies, i wanted to know if you guys believe that this CNN black week event is healthy? i mean every issue i know about the white community comes from my own white friends telling me. white people do not have a white week where they discuss and air their PERSONAL dirty laundry. black people however, you can watch tyra and CNN to see what's going on, does that make sense?

when was the last time white men and women sat around discussing their personal issues with each other, or should i say against each other??? this black week CNN stuff does not make sense. remember, when white people have stories about themselves, they make it seem as if it is a universal issue. however, when blacks share the story, believe me it is definitely a black thing. also, did anyone notice how they called AIDS a "black woman's disease". this does not do anything for a black woman's reputation. did anyone also notice how the blame was on the girl, instead of the boy who intentionally gave her aids?

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sleeping with someone when u know u are infected with aids and not informng them should be a crime. here in the uk, last year, a woman slept with 3 of her ex-partners when she found out she was infected. it was all over the news. the woman was charged and convicted of grievious bodily harm. so it has set a precedent here. hopefully the same gappens in u.s. and other parts of the world. i am sure though that bm will be made exempt as bw would not want to 'get a brotha in prison' cos we all know that it will always be the bw fault.

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Secret: CONFIDENCE is ALL it takes to get a man of ANY race. NO MAN wants a woman who FEELS inferior to other women. He will just get up and go to the other women. I'm a medium toned, no make-up-wearing Black woman who lives in California - I get hit on/asked out by Black/White/Asian men ALL THE TIME. I'm currently engaged to a Latino man, though. I just pretend to be the most beautiful/powerful thing on earth, and like a herd of buffalo, here they come! (:

- gigi

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey yall, if your still looking for the Italian issue of Vogue, try Davis Kidd Bookstore. Call and ask them to hold it for you. They will hold it for a week.

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Foxy, I know you mean well, but we are not posting anymore of Mr L's posts here. (not sure how you got a copy) but please leave his rants off in the future.
Also everyone this post is NOT about L skin D skin. so lets put that bed right now. -thank you

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

Thanks Mayday but where is the David Kidd Bookstore. Is that a nationwide store? I'm gonna use the code Evia got off her mag and see if B&N can backorder for me.

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i got my vogue magazine yesterday. my borders bookstore order 23 more copies cuz it was such a hit. the pics in the mag. are beautiful i couldn't stop flippin' through it. i just wish the commericals in the mag. were also feat. black models.

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got my copy of Vogue a two days ago. I almost cried ...

I am sappy that way.


They only had 3 left and when I was at the counter someone had called the store from Miami trying to get a copy.

 
At Saturday, July 26, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Foxy Cleopatra


I just wanted to say ewww.

I can't believe that those BM are doing that.

Then again I can, but that is so sexually irresponsible and I feel evil.


How nasty can a man be to engage in such life threatening behavior?


I feel the same way about them as I do BM who say that they only use WW for sex.


Like I am really going to think highly of a guy who admits to using any woman.

 
At Sunday, July 27, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey yall, I'm located in Nashville Tennessee, but I think Davis Kidd Bookstore might have other locations in other states. You might want to check around.

 
At Sunday, July 27, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At Sunday, July 27, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Secret: CONFIDENCE is ALL it takes to get a man of ANY race. NO MAN wants a woman who FEELS inferior to other women. He will just get up and go to the other women. I'm a medium toned, no make-up-wearing Black woman who lives in California - I get hit on/asked out by Black/White/Asian men ALL THE TIME. I'm currently engaged to a Latino man, though. I just pretend to be the most beautiful/powerful thing on earth, and like a herd of buffalo, here they come! (:

- gigi

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PREACH IT GIGI!!! As far as Soledad is concerned she is about as black as Mariah Carey. Enough said.

I love the vogue magazine and yes its about time. I am so glad they sold out. That will teach them that we can sell magazine, thank you.

 
At Sunday, July 27, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Ladies, I'm closing this topic. and I may have to turn off the comments on this particular post. This topic has gotten too far off track and it is time to move on. So lets do that, shall we....

 

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