Sunday, July 6, 2008

White male privilege, and how it impacts you and your children...






Three white fathers with their black children/wife. All of these children have
benefited because of their father's race/wealth and privilege....

The following short story illustates a key point:

Amanda races wildly through the house laughing hysterically. Her little brown pigtails flew behind her as she raced through the large foyer. Rachel, her little friend from kindergarten followed quickly trying to hit her with the water balloon. Amanda turned for a split second and the in next second, she hit what felt like a wall. Down she went! In moments her daddy bent from where he had been standing, when she ran into him, and lifted her up. Love and concern filled his pale face. He gathered his daughter in his arms and held her close. Crooning that she would be ok. Her little school chum Rachel, stopped short, starring at the scene. Was this Mandy's daddy? she wondered, and why was he so ....well white? She had been to Mandy's house many times but never met her dad before, he was usually at work. She starred at them wondering why they were not in the same color family. Mandy was brown like her mom only a much lighter brown like when you colored your paper in brown and then wiped some of it off. Amanda looked serene and happy despite the pain in her throbbing back side. "And who might you be?" the tall blond man was now looking down at Rachel. Rachel gulped and took a step back. He was a very large man. "I... I'm Rachel " she answered softly. "Well Rachel, would you and Amanda like some chocolate chip cookies?" Both girls nodded eagerly in unison, as he settled them at the large dinette table and gave them milk and cookies. Rachel waited until he retreated back into the living room to whisper to Amanda. "your dad is white!" she whispered solemnly. Amanda stopped munching, her cookie paused in mid air. "I know that silly, my mom told me along time ago!" Rachel thought a moment. "don't you care?" she persisted. Amanda cocked her head to the side as if she were in deep thought. "no, " she answered finally. "I love my daddy more than... more than" she scanned the room, her eyes finally coming to rest on the open container of her favorite cookies. "more than all the chocolate chip cookies in the world!" she finished.
Rachel burst into giggles, and Amanda joined in. Neither of them noticed their moms enter the kitchen from the back yard where they had been talking. Mandy's mom Monique, looked really disappointed, and upset. Rachel's mom was talking as they entered.
"oh Monique, I didn't know you wanted Mandy to go to St Luke's! You have to put that application in when they're about 2 to 3 years old!" that waiting list is really long!" Monique sank into the overstuffed dining seat and ran her hands through her thick, dark hair. "I don't know what I was thinking, I should have thought of that a long time ago." she sighed. St Luke's was one of the most exclusive schools on the west coast-what had she been thinking? Just then her husband walked in, and casually began to look for a snack.
Monique turned to him eagerly. He was always great at fixing problems, a skill that had earned him big bonus points when she decided to marry him.
"honey, Lily says that we can't get Amanda into St Luke's because she's not on the list!" What are we going to do? She's supposed to go next year!"
John suppressed a smile. It always cracked him up how dramatic his wife was. Her sentences always seemed to end with "what are we going to do!"
"Honey, calm down. " he told her. Amanda's going -don't worry about it" Both women starred at him. Even Amanda and Rachel starred, although they kept munching their cookies. John reached into the new fridge and grabbed an apple. He was enjoying the suspense on his wife's face. Monique tried to wait patiently but he was chewing so slowly! "h o n e y!" she finally exploded. John threw his head back and laughed at her anxiety. He loved to tease her, she looked so cute all tensed up. "baby," he told her. "I'm on the board-did you forget? and I've been a generous contributor for years" "They know to hold a spot for my child" I took care of that years ago! To reassure her he went to the phone and called the board. A moment later he let her listen as it was confirmed that Amanda definitely had a held spot. Monique sighed in relief and threw her arms around her husband happily. "Momma always told me to marry the best man, and you can give your kids the best lives," she thought smugly. "And momma was right!"

This story illustrates an important point. No matter how we feel about it, white male privilege is a very important and real fact of American life. Many white males (even when not affluent) carry this privilege without even stopping to consider where it came from, and whether it's earned. They've simply always had it and therefore it has become a functual, though unconscious aspect of their personality. For instance I think we can all guess that academic, career and employment opportunities can be given or lost based on the power one's father has. But did you ever consider that everyday, mundane opportunities are also affected like whether a childhood infraction gets punished and deleted or follows said child through life? Like it or not, white men ARE the most powerful men in the world. They run companies, industries, politics and Countries. I am not saying that your average run of the mill wm can move the world. But what I am saying is that even ordinary wm will yield a good deal of power just by the nature of their skin and gender. I have had many sisters tell me that when they are with their white husbands, a whole new world opens up. They are treated better, given better service and in many instances practically catered to. Not to be shallow, but I think we need to keep this in mind when picking mates. Even if he is not wealthy, he can definitely have other resources that are just as valuable. Ex. good intellect, powerful position, exceptional problem solving skills, high degree of financial capabilities, and lets not forget that there is definitely some measure of wealth inherent in his DNA ie. (white/male). This is something that can definitely affects one's progeny for a lifetime. Imagine, one child has a loving father who can get him into Yale or Harvard. A second child has no father and a stressed out mother trying desperately to keep everything paid. The last child has a hoodlum for a father, who is involved with the criminal element and drugs. When it comes time to surmount life's obstacles/go for higher education, which one do you think will succeed? The child with the drug dealer father is in the worst possible position. He not only has to fight the demons of poverty and desperation, but he also has to overcome the dead weight of the man he calls dad trying to pull him into the life of drugs and crime. The child who has no father in the home has to fight his issues of self esteem (or lack there of) and then he must go it alone to make his way in this world. The child who has a loving and powerful father in the home has whole different mindset. He is not stressed and constantly worried. He is relaxed and confident, he not only has a father who loves him, but one who is more than happy to pull the strings that will enable him to get a good start in life as well as be his mentor when times are tough. Who do you think has the best chance in this scenario? Many WW and AW have known this secret for a long time. They will marry men who are old, not too attractive, corpulent or undesirable in a number of ways in order to reach their ends (a good life for them and their offspring). We as BW must learn to think long -term. Yes he's attractive but what else does he have going for him? (Beauty will fade) Yes, he has a nice car-but a nice car is NOT an asset. It is just a liability posing as an asset. Yes he may have a big beautiful house, but I for one would much rather be with someone who showed the financial wherewithal to buy several rental properties witch would definitely be assets and make him money, than someone who purchased a big house and had to struggle to pay for it. (now it's a liability.) I think you all get what I am alluding to here. His financial capabilities, his good parenting skills his white/male skin privilege (and his ability to make the most of it ) are all far more important than his looks and bling-bling. All that bling bling is nothing. Everyone knows 95% of the people engaging in that flaunting/flamboyant lifestyle have nothing to show for it. When it comes to choosing a man, sisters choose carefully. You want to give your children every advantage you can, and you want the best life you can get. This is not being a gold digger-this is simply being smart.....
Wealth ideas with next post.. Thank y'all for tuning in....
I'm very sorry to point this out to y'all but -Unfortunately, this is where many bm languish, and this is why there are 8 bw for every bm, and why you MUST look outside the BC for a good man. (In most cases,) - according to the the census of 2007-
There are an estimated 1.5 million Black men in prison and another 3.5 million on probation. Black males make up more than 70 percent of the total prison population, even though they make up only 6 percent of the U.S. population. The alarming incarceration rates of Black men is not a new phenomenon, but one that has reverberated in news headlines and scholarly reports for a decade.
Impoverished living conditions coupled with the failures of public education in urban school districts, unemployment and a criminal justice system primed to incarcerate Black men have created a crippling symbiosis for thousands of Black men who find themselves locked up in America’s jails and prisons

126 Comments:

At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, I thought the post was very interesting but I cannot beleive you posted that stat about bm letting the whole world know 'our business!" We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Anon, I understand where you are coming from, I really do beccause I debated hard about putting that part in. But I think it's important for bw to see that they must Divest themselves of this belief that bm can or will come back. Many are lost in the system and are just too lost to help. We must realize that we have got to move on... besides this is hardly the whole world,its only one little blog....

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, I thought this was an incredible post!!! Sara I never thought of all that before, but it's true that WMP does have alot of advantages and can impact your child through life, it was really thought provoking to see it all laid out so clearly... Thank you for all you do. and you're wealth tips are incredible.....

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!"

lol ann the world already knows that, why does the BC keep thinking that the world doesn't know.where do you think these sterotypes came from. please i have no problem having their business put out there, they got Al Sharpton to defend them and march for them, we've only got ourselves. that's why sara and others created blogs like this.

ladies keep your options open like Estelle in American Boy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If0lrwEzdBY

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara

This is a stinging post you put up. It was so disturbing I had to make a pot of coffee.

The statistic is so true and it is haunting. I am in a budding relationship with an Asian man now. I remember a conversation with him, where he told me that he is the only minority in his company. There are no AA except one biracial assistant. He also said that white males out earn him and he is the highest paid minority. He was promoted last year. I told him that I read a stat that said Asians made 20 % more than whites. He said that was not true , most Asians are middle class and low income. Very few make more than whites. I was very shocked by this. I guess some statistics are overrated.
The point that I am trying to make about the post is that white males aren't the only breadwinners, but they can bring in more bread. It is up to the woman to decided how much she and her future children need to survive in this world. I notice that you sometimes focus on white/european males, but there are others who make good companions too. I found one in a vietnamese man. Our relationship is very new and budding, but just wanted to share this with my sisters who read this blog.
The incarceration rates of black men not only affect women but males too. How many times have I heard black males say it is hard to find friends in Atlanta. I know at least three that have less than two good black male friends. One does not have any black male friends because of lack of trust. This is a community problem. The good professional black men must be careful too, because you are guilty by association.
This affects the schools too. I recall a conversation with a father whose kids attend an elementary school I use to work at. He said it was hard to start up the PTA again. He and a group of men wanted to start a father /son mentoring group, but the men backed out because of a background check requirement. The fathers had some reservations about their past. You see how this is affecting our kids and puts burdens on the rest of us, like that father whois also a firefighter. He said police and firefighters are bonded so he has a clear record.
I just pray that Gods will put Obama in office to right some of the wrongs in this country. These men who are locked up will return and black women will be there regardless.

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Sistrunkqueen, I'm really happy you have found a good man and I hope everything works out for you. The reason I advocate wm so much for bw is because there are so many wm that every bw who wants one can virtually decide what size income, age etc. That she wants. But the most important thing of course is to simply get a good man regardless of color, and I am happy that you have done that-good luck ....

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

sara, thanks for another great post and beig a positive role model for black girls and women. Best luck to you!!!

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shalom Sara!

Been a while since I have visted the blogs. But this posting was an eye opener and very honest also.

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

sara,but doesnt the skin shade of the child deterimine if the white father is allowed to use his wm privilege on his child? Is the white dad's "white card" revoked?

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Jess, that is a very good question. I think people may get angry about his having black wife/kids but his card is never revoked. He is still a white male in America's eyes and that gives him an inherent power in and of itself. It may not shine as brightly as a wm married to a ww but it will def. still be intact...

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Blogger LaLuneBrune said...

OMG you are back with your stories! I really miss those lol!!! Anyway, it bothers me when people call biracial kids black... the kids you have in your pictures are more white looking to me anyway.
As far as white skin privilege goes, those arent thing that I look at or consider when choosing a mate. I simply prefer to date white guys and if he is able to move mountains for me... so be it, but if he isnt..... oh well, Im just happy being with him.

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

gloryus, I see your point but most biracial kids in the US are seen as black. Usually ww will call their children biracial, but most bw with biracial children will refer to them as black no matter how 'white looking they seem' There is def. no right or wrong to this though, it's simply a personal decision. Although I have seen some bw get furious if their child is not called black....

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, I thought the post was very interesting but I cannot beleive you posted that stat about bm letting the whole world know 'our business!" We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!

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keep it up do not delete it. the black women need to know the truth

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

who are the men in the photos?

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

First anonymous are you joking?
The world already knows. Who are we kidding?

a.f.

 
At Sunday, July 06, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting post Sara but you better brace yourself for the mammy sqaud and dbrbm like that Lara queen dude.

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger bwdb said...

"Anonymous said...
Sara, I thought the post was very interesting but I cannot beleive you posted that stat about bm letting the whole world know 'our business!" We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!"


The deception within the 'Black Community Machine' is that no one can see our festering wounds unless it is pointed out...It's like trying not to notice a train-wreck!

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Anon, who asked about the names. At the top is Mr Edwards and his family-they are a rich interracial couple who had their lovely home featured in house and gardens... In the middle is J. Smith with his little biracial/black daughter and last is Tennis superstar Boris Becker with his biracial/black children....

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger Felicity said...

Sara, as usual very good thread!

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope that the first comment was tongue in cheek! No can be that "unaware" to think that everyone and their grandmother aren't aware of these statistics. The black thought police are working overtime!!

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger HBC said...

Sara,

I am so glad you posted those stats and I know that it isn't bs either.

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger Sandz said...

Wow!
You know I've seen it and never really placed it into words.
Thanks

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Sara, I thought the post was very interesting but I cannot beleive you posted that stat about bm letting the whole world know 'our business!" We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!"

Are there still people so clueless as to not know these statistics? There I was thinking it was common knowledge!

Sara, I usually enjoy your posts. This one is a different case. I know white male priviledge exists. However, it is all about racism. I am all for irr, but I cannot agree with you using the fact that wm
have wm-skin priviledge as another positive reason bw should date them. I am completely against the whole idea and frankly, I'm looking forward to wm AND ww losing tha priviledge. They only get that priviledge from other whites and self-hating black people, so I see no reason why I should tolerate it.

You said.....
"Like it or not, white men ARE the most powerful men in the world."

No. They are only the most powerful men in the west. Go to any other part of the world where whites are not the majority and see if some random wm can pull out some 'I am a wm' card.

"They run companies, industries, politics and Countries."

So does every body else. And most countries in this world ARE NOT run by wm!

And finally, the story you posted doesn't really show much about white male priviledge. He was able to get his daughter a place because he was on the board. If he wasn't, I doubt him being a white man would have helped much, as othe white men with white kids would have also been turned down. If that man was black, asian, latino etc., he would have still been able to pull a few strings to get his child into a school on whose board he sits and had made several monetary donations to.

That was more class/status priviledge, which I do not find anywhere as disgusting as racial priviledge, but is still priviledge.

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Deleted Anon, I can understand you being upset by the post. It is certainly rather controversial and I knew some people would be upset by it. However, you will not come here and use that type of language! Take the gutter mouth back to the gutter. And learn to make your point in a more civilized manner.

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOUR BEST!!! lEAVE IT ALL IN. We never like to aknowledge our dirt and try to pass the blame on to wp ,bm pass it to bw,bw pass it to bm it's both our faults ,bw slightly more to blame [please don't hate me for this] cause if I were a bw I wouldn't let a dbrbm anywhere near me especially in the bed since those types are biggest aids carriers . My piont is that wp are talking about us all over the internet I don't have to mention any sites by names because I'm sure most of you know them, our crime rates illegitamcy rates how when we move into areas quality of life goes down when we move in a area in mass, how whites are killed robbed raped by blacks [men] in much higher nubers than the other way around ,Limbaugh and others have already mentioned how bravely and orderly whites have behaved in the midwestern floods this summer as opposed to bp in Katrina, so anon Sara in not showing our dirty laundry the world sees it and smells it .

Not much to say about wm being the most powerful since it is all true ,but also true is the ww being the most powerful and desired since wm invented the media cameras tv movies magazines advertisement pornograhy and promoted her as the ideal partner to man .

They only way to save bp is for us to become bougie ,looking down ,avoiding lowlife people and trashing them instead of idolizing them as keeping it real .extol the values of kids in wedlock education living the golden rule working for what you want [not for whatevers tricky],looking presentable ,not showing your drawls to the world, and not saying drawls either !!!they're underwear. I don't care if you think I'm a snob ,because I know it's true . Bougie ,bless you sara

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Last Anon, if you feel that way why the hell are you on a black woman's SITE???? First of all bw were never the welfare queens. There has ALWAYS been more ww on welfare! 2nd Since welfare reform the numbers have dropped to minicule amounts! 3rd. Even if most bw were loud, angry and ghetto as you put it (and most are not!) But how does that equate to being cold, callous, criminally inclined!!!

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

bougie, you can say that ww are seen as the most desirable women in many places. But you can never say that they are the most powerful! Power has NEVER been indigenous to women. And ww are no exception. That's why so many bm will wait until they are financially well off to go for ww because bm know that she must have a good reason to date them. Instead of a powerful wm. That is why this scenario does not work in reverse. A bw's stock is very likely to go up by her association with a powerful wm. Whereas a ww's stock is likely to plummet by her association with bm. This is why bm will brag about sexual prowess and make every attempt to make alot of money. So that he can have access to ww, as he knows that he must have something to offer her....

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

sara I commend you. That was an extremely deep post. I was so intriqued I didn't even hear my phone ringing.(lol) Anyway, what I wanted to tell you is that I'm a fairly attractive 30ish bw. About 4 years ago I was a working girl, working for a blk doctor in the suburbs of Manhattan. He was very dismissive to us clerks and staff. He had 3 other doctors at his practice (neurology center) and they were all blk men. They treated us blk women like garbage! Like we were not good enough to breathe their air. All of us working girls were struggling paying bills, taking care of kids alone etc. These blk doctors would bring their white wives in and flaut them in front of us as well as treat us like crap in front of these women (all 4 wives were white) Well, one day 2 doctors came in for consultation about their patients. They met with doctor M. (the owner doctor) and he told me to bring them coffee and then get the hell out of the room. (yes, Im embarrassed that I put up with this treatment, please don't lecture) anyway, I got the coffee and the two wm doctors came into the room, One looked at me and asked me why someone so beautiful looked so sad. no blk man has ever called me beautiful! I started to smile and he kept looking at me so much that he could not seem to concentrate on what Dr. M was saying. He rescheduled the consult and on the way out asked me out! The other women acted horrified because he was white! I quickly said yes before he finished asking (lol) To make a long story short, we hit it off! It was wonderful, like a whole new world. He had so much power, that I know exactly what you are talking about! When he said move, people jumped. People began to treat me like a queen for the first time in my life. I loved it! anyway, (please excuse typos) he told me the other man he came in with was his 1st cousin and asked if I knew of someone we could double date with. I immediately got my sister. She protested again and again until we got to the exclusive restaurant and she got a taste of a whole new life! Sara, it's like a new world! I cannot believe it happened to me! The blk doc. fired me but it did not matter because I now am married to a wonderful doctor of my own and so is my sister. I have two wonderful babies and she has one. I cannot describe what it is like to have a wonderful man who loves you and adores you. It is truly amazing! Some of my old friends don't even speak to me anymore. Ask me if I care. I come out of my gated communtity and meet my sweetie at the golf course almost daily. My babies are in private daycare, and me and my sister meet to shop at stores nobody else in my family can afford to go to. Truly amazing! I'm still pinching myself, and to think if I had not taken that date, I would be someone's baby mamma struggling with my babies by myself, and growing old way before my time like so many of the people I left behind... Thank you for trying to help other blk women escape the box.....L

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

Beautiful story Lyra! Just curious, did your old boss ever find out about your marriage?

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

lyra, as I was reading your story, there was a huge smile on my face. Happy for you.

I have say, thaex-boss of your was a complete ass. And to think he fired you 'cuz you were dating the white doctor. What a hypocrite!

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you're lamely referring to the Imus mess, obviously it was and offensive statement. And it's JUST AS OFFENSIVE IF NOT MORE SO when that sickens rolls off the tongue of DAMAGED black boys like yourself.

Coming from a population who knows quite well the sting of racism, to turn around and attack the most vulnerable (black women) is reprehensible.

But that's what can be expected from damaged scum like yourself."

It's not more offensive when it comes from someone like the silly poster. He is of irrelevant existence. He was hurt that bw were freeing themselves, so wanted to hurt black women back, and that was the best way he knew how. I didn't even flinch when I saw his post, that's how lowly I think of his type!

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Beautiful story Lyra! Just curious, did your old boss ever find out about your marriage?"

He would have probably been gritting his teeth if he did. What....a......Loser. I guess all those years spent in medical school didn't give any more common sense! What's even worse is the fact that he and his fellow black male partners intentionally treated them with disrespect, even in the presence of others, as if to say, not only do I think so lowly of you, even though you've done nothing to deserve such treatment, but I want my clients and associates to think the same of you as well.

I'm wonderin. If e hated black women so much, why didn't he and his fellow black male doctors hire white women? I guess he just wanted to rub it in.

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

where can i read the articles on the three family's listed above?

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, he definitely found out about my marriage because my husband and I often go to the medical conventions (along with my sis and her hubby) and we see him and the other blk doctors from the practice there. They glare like demons! They and their smug wives are so pissed they can't even enjoy the beautiful accomodations! It's really hilarious. And to rub salt into the wound my hubbys practice drawfs his by the mile (lol)My hubby and my brother in law make more than 3x his salary! His ww is livid about that. Dr M and the rest of his croonies never expected to see me live like this or be treated like a queen. After all I am dark (very dark) and have short kinky hair that my husband loves. He thinks I have exotic beauty and he is always telling everyone how beautiful his wife is! I can't tell you how wonderful that feels-no man has ever bragged on me before. I look as unlike beyonce as a woman can get! Anyway the nanny is bringing back my precious babies and I have to kiss them good night and tuck them in. All I can say is Ladies don't settle! It's a whole new life and I cannot beleive someone like me can live it! -But If I can have this wonderful life-so can all of you!!! God bless-L

 
At Monday, July 07, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Boy! I think we touched a nerve! I had to delete 5 posts without putting them through they were so full of profanity and threats! I'm being called everything but a child of God but oh well, Like I've said before, People will get violent to keep this message from getting out, but I'm going to keep preaching and trying to save as many sistas as I can....

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara,

I've been reading your blogs for a few months now. Overall, I would say that you offer great insight and encourage all women to think outside of the box. However there are a few post such as this one that leave me bewildered.
I always thought that one of the goals of your blog was to promote self-love and encourage bw to see themselves as the ideal woman with or without a man.
With that said, this post about the wmp really rubbed me the wrong way. In my opinion, it seems as if you put wm on a pedastal and encourage other bw to do the same. Yes, I agree that there is a such thing as a wmp that just seems to come with society, but in no way should bw or any woman become dependent upon the wmp or even be impressed by it. With hard work and dedication a bw can do just as well without having this innate privilege. i.e., oprah.

Black men are no less of men, because they weren't born with this privilege. I agree, our men could be doing a lot better as a whole. However, I do not look down upon BM. There are plenty of BM out there that are doing the damn. My father is a black man, so I will never look at black men with disgust,call them all damaged, or force this white is right mentality on others or myself.

I am all for interracial dating and am entering one myself, but in no way, am I entering it because of the WMP. I'm entering the relationship because he happens to be the person that I connect with on an intense level.

I hope that you dont' take this comment the wrong way, but I just wanted to give you an insight on how some of your writings are being perceived.

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Renee, I understand you point and I certainly do want bw to have self love. I wrote the post because it is a part of IR and I think we should be aware of it. It is not putting wm on pedistals. Some wm are good men and some are not but I think the discussion does deserve to be aired whether we agree with WMP or not. Not talking about something does not make it go away. It just lanquishes in the back of our minds after all. Basically, I am not saying WMP is good or bad, I am just saying that it exists and we need to be aware of it....

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

And to tell you the truth Renee, I admit I am uncomfortable with the topic myself, It's rather disconcerting to think that someone could have power based on gender/race. However, If we are going to explore IRs, I feel like we must talk about the uncomfortable topics as well. That's the only way to reach understanding. I remember distinctly being a child and my father being accused of a serious offense on his job. It was not until his white company commander spoke for him that the charges were dropped. I remember how upset I was about that. I think I took it harder than he did. I was very angry that my wonderful father could be accused like that. And I hated the man who spoke for him/saved him. But over time I realized it was not the man's fault and that he had only been trying to help... But like I said not talking about something does not make it less palpable. It just lingers there often causing a rift. I really wanted to skip this topic, but I knew we needed to talk about it.....

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're a brave woman, sara. stay the way you are.

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lyra that was a beautiful story ,that could never be made into a movie ,it's wrong on so many levels,but still great my casting would be George Clooney as your husband Kelly Rowland as you and Taye Diggs as your boss.



Taylor-Sara said... Power has NEVER been indigenous to women. And ww are no exception.

Understand where you are coming from ,but Western Culture is a progressive civilization and ww have used their charms on men to gain power money prestige fame ,god knows there are to many to list a few are Madame Dubarry ,Jackie O' Anna Nicole Hilary Clinton Princess Diana,Bo Derek Pia Zadorra etc and some are born into it like the Queens Elizabeth ,Paris Hilton etc,wm have allowed their women to share in their power at times ,a ww in the West has it 100 times better than women in Africa where in the Congo it's a sad sport[rape] ,it couldn't happen in the west to ww . I totally agree with you on ww stock going down if they date bm ,but disagree that they have to have a good job to get a nice looking ww there are so many white girls sleeping with unemployable bm it's not funny and no they are not all fat either .....hopefully we can get our pionts across without being nasty and rude to one another Bougie

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

Boy! I think we touched a nerve! I had to delete 5 posts without putting them through they were so full of profanity and threats! I'm being called everything but a child of God but oh well, Like I've said before, People will get violent to keep this message from getting out, but I'm going to keep preaching and trying to save as many sistas as I can....

Unbelieveable! Sara keep doing you Boo.

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Blogger LostGirl#1 said...

"Black men are no less of men, because they weren't born with this privilege. I agree, our men could be doing a lot better as a whole. However, I do not look down upon BM. There are plenty of BM out there that are doing the damn. My father is a black man, so I will never look at black men with disgust,call them all damaged, or force this white is right mentality on others or myself."
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Sorry, I don't view BM, as a whole, as "ours." What they do as a *group* or how well they do it is of no interest to me. My love for the BM in my family is totally different than what I feel for a group of strangers; THIS distinction, IMO, is where a lot of BW continue to keep themselves bound to a sinking ship.

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Blogger EmergingPhoenix said...

Bougie - I get what ur saying, but even in ur statement you commented that wm allowed ww to share in their power. This is a male dominated world, quite frankly. I dont know of any culture where women and men function equally. There is a faith, called Bahai, that holds men and women to be equal, but I do not know much about the inner workings. Plus it's just a faith, not a country.

This topic will be very biting to a lot of ppl, and not just bm. Even wm hate to hear that they have some perceived wmp. I do agree they have it, but like another poster implied, they have to perform for the full benefit just like the rest of us have to perform to get ahead. I think of it more in tiers. Every arena is affected by racial hierarchy. A bm lawyer will have more social credence than a wm bus driver, but he may never reach the status of a wm lawyer who performs equally as well as himself. I know that sounds really bad, but you see it play out in the work place, social circles, and general life all the time.

Someone alluded to the fact that wm hold no power in non-Euro foreign countries. I agree, but financially, wm are still holding the majority of cards on a global level, and they are not giving them up without a fight. They were bargaining with great leaders of other countries, and creating scenarios that benefit their countries. Foreign countries have begun to wise up, align with other foreign countries, and now u see them flexing their combined muscle on the US. I feel like I am ringside in a gladiator arena, watching Goliath, fight multiple Davids. Funny thing is, I believe the UK is the real goliath, and the US is just his little bro. When the EU formed, the UK scoffed, and said we dont need your piddily alliance. They may want to rethink that, since the euro is catching up to the pound fairly quickly.

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Exactly Miss Pinky,
If black men belonged to us than the 2 mothers who were gunned down holding thier beautiful babies would have had nothing to worry about that night. The lady who died on the floor of the hospital would have received immediate help, and the poor college student who was snatched from her vehicle and held prisoner while being beaten, raped and tortured would have made it safely home that night! I'm sorry to tell you that bm do NOT belong to us! they belong to themselves. And as long as we continue this ficticious alliance-we are in danger. Brother is just a word, and it means nothing! The only brothers I have are the ones my mother gave birth to....And every woman here best follow that same logic, lest she fool herself into thinking she's safe when she encounters a 'brother' on a dark omnious night, with no one else around...

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Sorry, I don't view BM, as a whole, as "ours." What they do as a *group* or how well they do it is of no interest to me. My love for the BM in my family is totally different than what I feel for a group of strangers; THIS distinction, IMO, is where a lot of BW continue to keep themselves bound to a sinking ship."

TELL IT Miss Pinky. It's ALL about having the ability to make DISTINCTIONS. This is a natural inborn survival trait that's been switched off in too many sistas to their detriment.

Being able to differentiate between friend and foe is a LIFE saving ability.

Who is a friend vs. a foe has NOTHING to do with race/color/shared history/gender, DNA even. It ONLY has to do with BEHAVIOR pure and simple.

People prove whether they're worthy of your concern, time, attention, etc... (or not) then you simply act accordingly.

It's really simple when you get down to it.

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Random notes and observations in response to yet another excellent posting. "Anonymous said... Sara, I thought the post was very interesting but I cannot beleive you posted that stat about bm letting the whole world know 'our business!" We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!"

Sara handled your comments well as per her style - but here is a news flash everyone already knows these stats - even if it is not pc to state them. Facts are facts. The only reason this comment is being made - given how well Sara dealt with it is because it makes a point "what losers our mem are!" - why identify closely with someone that is negative muchless "claim" ownership as it were. As long as BW continue the tarbaby routine and 'stick' with the negative others will as tar them with that brush of negativism. Women need to recognize and assert that they are individuals to be respected, assessed based on their own character and merit or lack of same. Shared color or racial traits do not make persons one in the same. Stop buying into and feeding the 'guilt by association' mentallity.

Jess said "is the white dad's "white card" revoked?" Sara hit it right on the head - that is the insidious value of the "privilege" card - it is not revoked except in extreme cases and even then only on a situational basis. Privilege is not solely a function of color it happens in all cultures. Privilege is a combination of factors - education - college degree and street degree i.e. common sense and contacts - who you know and have access to and how well that access is used and not abused. The suspicion is that it is more male privilege - women do not seem to network or team up as well or readily as men. That is why it is never fully revoked. Men are team players as well as individuals and manouver through life that way. Moreover it is about power - having it, keeping it and using it.

Taylor-Sara said... Power has NEVER been indigenous to women. And ww are no exception. Right on and this is precisely why the privilege is not fully revoked. Men want to retain power and control and even if that means sharing said power and privilege among themselves. Societally/culturally power is not indigenous to women - because the natural fact is that women are POWERFUL that is why (males) society and cultures universally seek to control women and retain power.

That is why privilege is never universally revoked. It may not be accepted everywhere but it never goes away. The simple fact is that men would not allow that to happen because men know if it can happen to one it can happen all, so it is ok to suspend priviledge or limit it but revoking it totally would undermine the system and make it hard for all by putting them all at risk which is a risk no one is willing to take. The simple fact is that wm will not allow that because if it was allowed to happen it would be too great a shift in power. The other reason it is not revoked is because it is not done overtly in most cases - it is largely hidden - accepted but mostly unspoken.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lyra’s story was encouraging. Yet, it was the bad behavior of those so-called professionals that made her take a risk which turned out quite favorably for her. The shock from her co-worker was too funny! I would like to here how other bw are meeting their great mates, friends or partners. I know everyone is different, but you can get ideas from other’s experiences. All I get is a grin and an occasional double-take from non-bm.

You almost need a 12-step program just to eliminate the “black community” female indoctrination: 1) safety first and foremost. 2) the focus is quality, so be open to dating all types of men. 3) no longer see ALL bm as brothers, just the ones I share DNA.
4) the bc is not my friend. 5) beware of some bw who have mammy syndrome 6) take good care of yourself and 7) beware of the black church. It can be a mule pit for black women. Well, I am only up to 7. It is a different world when you take the off rose colored glasses. I’m thinking will you look at all these men! They are everywhere, lol! You tend to see situations and people for what they really are and not what you thought they were.

Telling it like it is - "don't act like ghetto white chicks don't get "creative" in the name department"

That is the funniest thing when I hear ww calling their kids "come here DaQuan, Tenisha, LaDarius etc.."

Great post!

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

WELL, as you can all see we have some very brilliant women who think deep and wide on this blog. Excellent ladies, Clarice and Energize you two should collaborate on a book to raise the self esteem/awareness of blk womanhood. Energize I'm going to have to steal those tips and put them on the side bar! -loved them....

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

lyra that sounds like a fairy tale. I am so happy for you and your sister!

Congratulations to you both. :)

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

Pinky said:

Sorry, I don't view BM, as a whole, as "ours." What they do as a *group* or how well they do it is of no interest to me. My love for the BM in my family is totally different than what I feel for a group of strangers; THIS distinction, IMO, is where a lot of BW continue to keep themselves bound to a sinking ship

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YES YES YES..This is the easiest thing to do..it really is...and if I may take it one step further...even those who ARE related to you by DNA must adhere to a proper course of conduct, or they too should be promptly relegated to the stranger category..just because they are related does not mean you automatically do for them..they must STILL behave properly towards you...

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Foreign countries have begun to wise up, align with other foreign countries, and now u see them flexing their combined muscle on the US. I feel like I am ringside in a gladiator arena, watching Goliath, fight multiple Davids. Funny thing is, I believe the UK is the real goliath, and the US is just his little bro. When the EU formed, the UK scoffed, and said we dont need your piddily alliance. They may want to rethink that, since the euro is catching up to the pound fairly quickly."

The UK is most definitely NOT a goliath. Talking as someone in the UK, everyone knows that the only chance britain has of any claim to 'world power' is with the EU, Unfortunately, the brits, typically, want to eat their cake and have it. Britain is America's lapdog! That's why no other country on this planet really respects britain. As much as america may be hated and even disrespected in so many other places, they are still feared. No body really takes britain seriously, unless they are aligned with the US, or along with the EU. The nest superpower will be China, and India to a much less extent. I'm sure it's not white men who run things in China!

 
At Tuesday, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Basically, I am not saying WMP is good or bad, I am just saying that it exists and we need to be aware of it...."

Um, it IS bad! It is racism manifesting in another very common form. It is all about white skin priviledge in a predominantly white country(benefitting BOTH white males and white females) and male priviledge in a male dominated world(benefitting ALL males, be they white, black, asian etc). Irrespective of who one is aligned with, as far as you are not a white male, you would probably suffer more due to white male priciledge than gain from it(unless you are a white female), even if you are married to a wm!

 
At Wednesday, July 09, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, I forgot to thank you earlier for your kind comments.

Ann F.

 
At Wednesday, July 09, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

You're welcome Ann,
and Anon. I got that feeling too, that is was a ww making that comment. and I wondered why she could not just put her name and stand by what she had to say...

OT. but that reminds me... Today we (my family) were out to eat a new restaurant in town when I see the waitress ( a young pretty blk girl) trying to calm down a disgruntled customer. I look over and It's a becky with her blk hubby and 3 kids, who she had called Taiesha, myiesha, and something else. But the point is she was accusing the waitress (girl) of flirting with her husband because he was all smiles looking at this girl. The waitress was calmly explaining that she was just doing her job. She was very, young, and polite but she looked a bit shook up. The becky was furious that her hubby seemed attracted to the girl and was getting louder and louder with the poor girl. I sent my child to summon the manager, because it was oblivious the girl was scared. When the blk man manager came, the becky had stood up and was rolling her neck, and talking about how she was going to stomp this b*tch and how she better ugly down the next time she came to her table!the mananger looked in disgust at her husband, who was absolutely nothing, then he told her to take the ghetto back to the ghetto, and get out of the restaurant. Everyone cheered as she was forced to leave, and a chin lii near me exclaimed to her white hubby, "my goodness, ww are so ghetto! she needs to leave that behavior in the hood!." This caused me, kevin, and the kids to crack up....

 
At Wednesday, July 09, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, Go for it...anything that will help bw move forward.

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"even those who ARE related to you by DNA must adhere to a proper course of conduct, or they too should be promptly relegated to the stranger category..just because they are related does not mean you automatically do for them..they must STILL behave properly towards you..."

Delishmish, you are so on target. I have a brother who is a habitual criminal (dbr) and he offered to introduce me and my sister to some of his ex-cell mates. Yall, he was serious. Even said they are good men, just made bad decisions. We just stood there like deer in front of headlights. I told him to let the ww have them.

 
At Wednesday, July 09, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! Controvestial entry, but oh so true. I am blessed to be a stay at home mom to my 7 beauitful biracial babies. We have a nice house, money in the bank, great credit : ) and all the extras in life. I owe it all to my wonderful Lord Jesus and my hardworking man who gets up and goes to work for our family everyday. I love my dh from the top of his thinning blond hair to his big ole feet! I love him most of all because he is a man of character and integrity whose main goal in life is to serve the Lord and make me and our children happy. I am TOO blessed!
ps. our family is on the front page. Thanks Sara!!!

 
At Wednesday, July 09, 2008 , Blogger LaLuneBrune said...

Lyra! What an amazing story... seriously girl I evny you because I somehow wish your story was mine lol. Your story really does sound like it came out of a fairy tale. You are right about your imagination on what your life WOULD HAVE BEEN like if you hadnt said yes to your hubby's asking out. More black women should be open to dating interracially... there's so much positivity in this life to come by, than being baby mamas. BE A WIFE not a baby mama! Date responsibly... peace and love gals.

 
At Wednesday, July 09, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

nikkikeith7,

Gurl... You are TOO Blessed! And your family is BEAUTIFUL!

I'm also a stay at home mom with two handsome little biracial boys.

We're trying for a daughter in 2010 but will feel just as lucky if we bring a third son into the world.

My husband brings home the bacon and makes sure his family is happy, well loved, protected and financially stable.

It's SO important to marry well. Especially if children are in the equation.

When you open yourself up to God's blessings (and God like love is colorblind) he delivers 10 fold.

Keep the faith ladies and NEVER settle for less.

 
At Thursday, July 10, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Too the ignorant Anon. who wrote in about how irritating this blog to her. We certainly do not wish for you to be irritated, so kindly see your rude, irritated self to the door! And don't come back!

 
At Thursday, July 10, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lyra, may I also add to the chorus of people who are so very happy for you and how your life has changed. God opened up the universe to you, you took a risk, stepped right in, and look where you landed! BTW, do your husband and his cousin have any other unmarried adult male relatives -LOL? On the serious side, are your husband and his cousin American or European (or otherwise)? Just curious. Thanks.

 
At Thursday, July 10, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, I thought the post was very interesting but I cannot beleive you posted that stat about bm letting the whole world know 'our business!" We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!


ava says: Sara, I think that this poster meant to be facetious with this post. The world knows about the statistics on black America. All of this coupled with the fact that most black men with money and prestige (these days) wants a nonblack woman and those who are staying with black awomen are using black women and thinking that they are a gift to black women. Everyone needs to watch black in America on CNN on July 23 and 24th (I believe).

 
At Thursday, July 10, 2008 , Blogger Halima said...

And to tell you the truth Renee, I admit I am uncomfortable with the topic myself, It's rather disconcerting to think that someone could have power based on gender/race. However, If we are going to explore IRs, I feel like we must talk about the uncomfortable topics as well. That's the only way to reach understanding.

Sarah dont feel no way about writing about benefitting from privilege. So much PC is invading discussions of IR these days that i wonder.

we all do benefit from privilege, we all want to, even the most pc of us women dream of marrying rich (priivileged) men, i sure do lol! When all privilege is revoked and the world is a totally fair place then yes lets not talk about it, but for now, the world is unfair and particularly to bw, so i dont mind bw feathering their nest a bit. work the system if you can because everyone else sure is, and until everyone else decideds to give up their privilege why should bw stand back.

I am in my thirties and have worked for a good part of a quarter of a century. Yep thats right, 25 years because i started young and even though i love working, and seeing the profits for hard work, i sometimes do wish i could kick back and let the man do it all afterall i have earn it lol!

Lyra's story is a teaching tool, it shows how people want bw to remain 'good' and 'maintain PC' and do the good/upright/honorable thing so they can use them to their own benefit and of course stamp on them. I mean i can't imagine the kind of mentality of some bw who will oppose another bw IR, when they see clearly how disinterested many bm are in dating bw to the point they are even treating them disdainfully. is this a way to prove they are strong or how committed they are to the black cause? its a big joke and its all on these bw and their irrelevant guarding of some broken down, imagined 'treaty' between bw and bm.

Bw are 'prepared' for servitude and sometimes the way they think, respond and react just underscores this! I am so glad some of us are becoming astute like lyra who zoned in on her opportunity. I love it!

women marry rich men everyday and gain from their privilege. if you are such a bw who can, more power!

 
At Thursday, July 10, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"then he told her to take the ghetto back to the ghetto, and get out of the restaurant. Everyone cheered as she was forced to leave, and a chin lii near me exclaimed to her white hubby, "my goodness, ww are so ghetto! she needs to leave that behavior in the hood!."

Lol...Chin lii. Frankly, if white women want to take on the whole ghetto stereotype, let them. I'd rather them than me. It is obvious that her husband was flirting with the waitress. He's probably played around before with black women, so she is insecure about it. Imagine, telling her to ugly herself down when next she came to the table, lol. SMH!

 
At Thursday, July 10, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Everyone needs to watch black in America on CNN on July 23 and 24th (I believe)."

I've seen the preview, and alot of it appears bogus to me. It is just a repeat of the usual po' blacm man mantra, while at the same time pretending that the only issues facing the so-called black community are the ones experienced by black men. The one they did for 'black women and family' is rubbish!

 
At Thursday, July 10, 2008 , Blogger HBC said...

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At Thursday, July 10, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Mr L. I started to just delete you because your arguments are silly and irrelevant as usual... but FYI, I was not telling bw to go for men who look like Imus! I'm simply saying don't discard him just because he's no Gerard B. You can tip your hat anyway you want, but you don't control anyone here! We are free willed women and we will do as we please. There are already too many bw sacrificing themselves on the alter of Male Pride.-That crap won't fly here. What do you say to bm who date/marry IR..... (crickets churping) Just what I thought. Go back to becky or maria and leave us alone.....

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Ladies when you are considering traveling to Europe...you need to put Dubai on your agenda as well."

Yeah, except that Dubai is not in Europe!

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It had always seemed that fairy tale happenings were reserved for women of other races and not us. Why shouldn't we believe that we too can be princesses and feel that we deserve a prince and all that goes with loving one(am I being corny here, lol)."

No, you are not being corny. Black women are as entitled to dream of their prince charming as every other race of woman!

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Black women are as entitled to dream of their prince charming as every other race of woman! "

as a white guy, let me just say that statement is completely and uncompromisingly true. one of the most wonderful women i've ever had the joy of knowing closely was black, and believe me, ladies, we men tend to remember such things and spread the word to each other.

even if you don't have the media obsessing over you in the way it seems to do with white women for some reason beyond my understanding, the other sex itself will do some of that work in its place for you more and more, as time goes on. you're becoming increasingly noticed, and increasingly wanted because of it.

it's good times compared to how it used to be, and it's probably going to get better too.

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Andrew and your hypocritical crew

Again, hypocrites like yourself amuse me. Asain women and white women tend to date and marry well REGARDLESS of the appearance of the man.

Where as most black women tend to date (rarely marry these days) black men who are the BOTTOM of the barrel looks wise AND financially speaking.

The question is WHY?

Because of this "race loyalty" nonsense. That's why.

And as far as "changing perception"?LOL WTF? NOBODY has to try "change" someone ELSES perception.

What planet are you living on?

You CAN'T. Haters will ALWAYS hate because that's a haters JOB.

Sistas might as well DO THEM and screw the rest.

Marrying well (on all levels) IS being smart. Smart White, Asian, and Black women ALREADY know this.

The only ones compromising themselves these days are the nothing but a "brother" (lol) mammies.

Because they will be with the most BROKE DOWN, UGLY, NON-SKILLED "brother" on the block merely because of "racial loyalty".

A "racial loyalty" that is not reciprocated by most black men today.

Yes, most black women have been DUPED big time.

The good thing is, it's never too late to learn from your mistakes and start making better choices in the future.

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Blogger HBC said...

"...We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!..."
_____________________________

Did anyone hear about what this fool(Jess Jackson) said about Obama? Unreal.

I also want to say I am sincerely happy for Lyra, Nikki and all the other bw on this blog that have found themselves a good man.

It had always seemed that "fairy tale endings" were reserved for women of other races and not us. Why shouldn't we believe that we too can be princesses and feel that we deserve a prince and all that goes with loving one(am I being corny here, lol).

Peace and Happiness

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

as a white guy, let me just say that statement is completely and uncompromisingly true. one of the most wonderful women i've ever had the joy of knowing closely was black, and believe me, ladies, we men tend to remember such things and spread the word to each other.

Thank you Anon. Ladies please take notes. Dating outside your race is not an embarrassment or even shameful. Sharing information must go both ways. If that relationship brought you joy and happiness shout it from the highest mountaintop!

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Nikki, thank you for letting us see your lovely family. People love to see that.... Lyra thanks for your great story, I think they wanna know if your hubby is American or European. And Anyone who wants to share how we met stories, we'd all love to hear it... BTW. What did jesse say about Obama?

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

she can feel comfortable that not only can she have her man, but she can have the black woman's.
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Yep, not only can I have a car, but I can have a bicycle too.

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

What did jesse say about Obama?

Among other things he wants to cut his n*** out:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07092008/news/nationalnews/jesse_jackson_sharply_criticizes_obama_119161.htm

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, here is what he said when he thought the mic was turned off on FOX.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/25922/bill-oreillys-talking-points-talking-points-july-9-2008

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

hbc said:

Why shouldn't we believe that we too can be princesses and feel that we deserve a prince and all that goes with loving one(am I being corny here, lol).

...........................

NO NO NO...never let anyone EVER tell you your dreams are "corny"..

I would love to know more about Princess Angela Brown...I bet she had dreams she would marry a Prince..and clearly she believed she could and DID...

Another instance..both Sara and I believe we are destined to "be" with first Viggo Mortenson and then Gerald Butler...rofl..but seriously...It is the hardest and easiest thing to do..DREAM big..and believe..and then watch it happen before your eyes...

chanting...Viggo, come to meeeee, come to meeeee, not Sarrraaaaaa.

Keep building yourself up HBC...that is what I do. Even if people laugh at you...keep believing and thinking of what you want..and if you want to be a Princess...own it Doll.

 
At Friday, July 11, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any woman traveling outside the country be very cautious and alert! Remember the rules here are not the oversees. This is not just about meeting men but in other aspects as well. I want all my sistas to be careful when traveling outside.

Once again great post Sara!

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a white woman married to a middle eastern man (inter-racial/inter-religious relationship). I seen your advertisement on the marriage forums where international relationships are commonly discussed.

I have to say your writing is quite intriguing. I'm a professor and professional author. Its not often that I dole out comments about one's blogging style, so please, know it is a sincere compliment. I would like however to see your blog style change. It was very elongated and I felt like I was scrolling forever. Being that your writing is such a gem I believe it calls for a more professional/organized appearance. I hope you don't take that offensively, because it is NOT meant that way.

Its interesting for me to see a black woman talk so openly about the considerations in entering an inter-racial relationship, you brought up topics I never much considered. I leave your writing feeling as if I know a piece of your mind, a piece of you, its very personable and leads one to consider aspects often un-entertained. Thank you for your efforts!

I would love to see you talk in depth sometime about the personal things you enjoy in your inter-racial relationship. I find much about my own quite intriguing.

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Professor I thank you for your comments, but in order to prevent excessive scrolling I would have to eliminate the pictures so that the writings could go further lenghwise-and that will not happen! The pictures stay. I do however thank you for your comments. Please use the email in the future if you prefer to discuss blog styles......

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, guys My Husband is American. I found out that his marriage choice is very common in his family. His step mom (after his mom passed) is black and she apparently impressed everyone with her beauty, class and grace to the point that 5 other men in his family have black wives! Incredible! I always feel right at home with them. They are so sweet and down to earth yet everyone is so educated and classy (including the step mom) I notice since marrying him, I not only finished my degree but I speak so much better and carry myself in a way I never did in the hood. I absolutely love this life, although I admit it would not be for everyone. exp. bad table manner are not tolerated in his family and even the children are polished up, and prepared to 'lead the country' in one way or another. Everyone has a finance log and writes down every penny spend,(they believe you MUST know where your money is going) Everyone can read a stock report and a financial statement, including the children 8 years old and up! It's so different from what I grew up with but I really, really love it, but like I said not everyone wants this lifestyle. The rich really do think different about alot of things. For instance, I went out to the parlor the other day and heard my son and his father talking about Real Estate! And my son is only 3! He was asking his daddy why he took a real estate option on a certain property instead of buying it outright, since it was 40% below Arv! (I don't even know what an arv or option is)(lol). his father was discussing it with him in depth, like he really understood it. I was amazed. When I asked my husband later why he was discussing RE with a 3 year old, he replied
"Lyra, he wanted to know." He loves RE, that's his natural proclivity, and he understands alot about it because he loves it. You don't understand because you are not interested. But in a few years, with adequate preparation, he will understand everything completely and he can easily be groomed at that point, to be the next Donald Trump!"
See, that's what I mean about them thinking differently. In my family we never thought past getting the bills paid through the week, and having food in the fridge. In his family, everyone thinks long term. Everyone has a college fund from birth, everyone has skills and talents that are nurtured until they are mastered long before adulthood. It's all pretty amazing and different. And I thank God everyday that my children will have a whole different life filled with education, travel, trainings, and teachings they would have never known had I had them by some around the way bm. With my very dark skin, I would have been used and discarded, and we would have been in some rat infested tenement trying to survive! Instead we vacation 3X per year. We travel all over the world, We have a nanny and a maid. But most important my children are learning culture, finances, leadership etc. I never could have given them any of this alone, which is exactly what women like me are in the hood...fending for themselves, frightened,worn out, and praying their men will change and bring milk and pampers, or a little money for the kids -fat chance! Thank God, I took that date.....Take a chance ladies, get out! The hood is one of the most evil, vile, and dangerous places for you and your children.One of the girls I used to work with, was raped last year. Yes, she is one of the ones who called me crazy/stupid to go out with a wm. 3 Hoodlums followed her into her broken down apt, and took turns with her. She gave birth to a child, she could not afford to take care of. The neighborhood wrote obscene things on her apt door. They said she was not raped, she was a hoe who deserved what she got! She was fired by Dr M when he found out she was trying to press charges against 3 bm and her car was vandalized and eventually torched! With no transportation to reach another job, she was thrown out into the streets. Her family was not speaking to her because she was pressing charges, and 'tryin to send good bm to jail' Can you believe people can really be that stupid? My husband encountered her when she came into his office begging a friend of hers for help (the friend works there) He was shocked by her story and by her friend telling her that she could not help her unless she dropped the charges against the 3 'brothers'! My husband immediately called a crisis center and had her admitted. We paid for this young lady to finish school and allowed her to live in one of our properties for free until she graduated. We pay for her child care and when she comes out, she will be given a job at my brother in law's practice. No we are not angels, we just felt horrible about how she was treated when she tried to get help from the community. She is very grateful to us, and tells us constantly that we saved her life. She plans to go to her new job and snag a doctor of her own. lol I'm just glad she's healing. Anyway I have talked way too much, but the point is ladies: Take a risk and date/mate out and get as far away from the hood as you can -you deserve so, so, so, much better!
-L

 
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At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Mr. L please take your screaming, ranting BS elsewhere. You ranting about bw with high incidents of STDs only further prooves our point. Who do most bw associate and have sex with? BM! So where do you think those women are getting deseases? Duh. BM! You need to take your angry tirade about IR to bm. I noticed you completely sidestepped my question when I asked you what do you say to bm about IRs. That's why I deleted your post. STDs among bw are not the focus of this post. IF more bw would leave these down low, lying, cheating, multiple baby momma, brothers alone, STDs (amongst bw) would fall dramactically. Until you can answer the question (what do you say to brothers who date/marry IR. -then don't bother posting here, because it won't be seen. Get a life, and stay out of ours.....

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

More Damaged nonsense....have you guys heard about that Young Berg nonsense about "dark butts"? Here is a quote:

“I’m kinda racist… I don’t really like dark butts too much… It’s rare that I do dark butts. Like really rare… It’s like, no darker than me. No darker than me. I love the pool test…. If you can be like ‘Yo, baby. I met you in the club. Let’s go back to my house. Jump in the pool exactly like you are.’–And you don’t come looking better wet than you were before you got in the pool then that’s not a good look.” -Yung Berg, Lip Service podcast

Yung Berg: I’m sorry. I gotta give it to you straight… If you can’t come out of that pool miraculously looking like a white bitch for me… It’s a no-go, Dark Butt.
Shaniqua: *nods head* Okay. *splashes down to bottom of pool and quickly resurfaces*
YB: *inspecting Shaniqua’s hair, skin and gums* Nope. Sorry. Still a dark butt."

And yet we as women do not boycott this trash, black radio caters to this trash, are so called black brother's agree with this trash and where is Jesse when you need him?

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger Kay said...

I think Mr L is so abusive and mad, because what you bring up in your post touches on a key weakness black men face. They just can't come to the playing field and compete on the level of white men when it comes to women. They don't have adequate resources for a number of resons, but that is not the black woman's fault. And since we are finding out that we are not obligated to black men, black men like Mr. L are experiencing their inferiority issues/concerns mirrored back to them in the bettered lives of liberated black women. Perhaps instead of getting angry based on pride and envy, Mr. L and those like him should explore ways to make themselves more suitable companions and that's starts with a basic ability to love others. Try love Mr. L and then your tirade will morph into self improvement and respect and love for others wanting to better their lives instead of taking crap off of people who really know better by now. (not to judge, but truthfully) The men who feel threated by this post are just too self-centered, self-seeking, angry, and undisciplined to do what they know is right. And why should a woman who wants to live her best life waste it on that.

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

Wow Lyra. I'm completely speechless about the things this young lady went thru. However I want to say that you are a complete angel!

You will continue to be blessed because you are a giver of the heart :-)

Now if I could only get out and find my doctor...

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger TC said...

SINGLE BLACK WOMEN: MOVE NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! Why are so many of us living in trashy neighborhoods that abuse and discard us? You don't hear many stories about women being attacked in nice apartments because nice places have security! Getting into my friend's building, even though I had his key, was like going through airport security. I know some will say they can't afford such a place, but how many SBW live alone? Get together with other SBW and get better places. You'll be safer, save money, and as a bonus, lots of eligble bachelors are moving back to the city.

That said, everyone needs to call the non-emergency number for the cops when problems first start---criminals typically test the waters and grow bolder when no one says anything. You do not need to give the cops your name. Call the city if you see graffiti or there are abandoned cars.

Handling a rape: Call the cops or take the person to the hospital. Don't let her shower, change clothes, take a drink of water, etc. Time permitting, put together a bag her toiletries and comfortable clothes---sweats, grannie panties. DO NOT take them to a Catholic hospital unless that is the only hospital in town. They may refuse or delay giving the day after pill. What is the day after pill: it delivers a high level of pregnancy hormones to fool your body into thinking you're already pregnant so it won't release an egg. You'll need this because you are to get them on every med which prevents STDs, and some of them have side effects which you can get through, but it's not a pleasant thing. There are meds to prevent Hepatitus B, meds to cure lower level STDs, and anti-virals to reduce the chance of getting HIV. BUT YOU MUST ACT RIGHT AWAY. If you wait more than 72 hours after a raped the anti-virals won't work. You really have to help a rape victim because even though it is clearly not their fault many feel that it is. Remember, certain untreated STDs cause infertility, and syphillus, which can be deadly, is back on the rise. Even if she doens't want to press charges, get her checked over ASAP.

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

TC, thank you so much for that needed advice, ladies I hope you are listening. And you are also right about getting the hell out of the hood tc. One of my uncles (cannot even bring myself to speak to him anymore) got a very naive and young woman pregnant years ago. She moved into a broken down tenement after he dumped her and refused to pay child support. She struggled alone after giving birth never telling us what a hard time she was having. She was leaving her baby girl with a neighbor who was only charging one third what day care cost, and trying to make it as best as she could. The child was suffering bouts of deep depression and would not talk. When the child was 4 she found out the neighbor was leaving her daughter with her husband and his male friends while running the streets! She found this out because the child fell ill, and it was discovered that she had an STD in every orifice of her body! To this day because the child could/would not talk,and mother did not pursue it. no one has ever been punished for raping this baby!
She is now a teenager who is mentally messed up and allows herself to be sexually used by the boys at her school. All efforts to help her have been in vain....

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger LaLuneBrune said...

I have to say Sara... your's is TRULY one of my BESTEST blogs I read on a frequent basis, well along with Evia's of course. you do such a good job and I wanted to let you know that.

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Thanks so much Gloryus, that means alot. I really want to give bw the tools to live better, love better, and have all around better lives...

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some general thoughts. Let me start by stating that I am a college educated, black male, 33 years of age, professional, financially prosperous, and happily married to a dark-skinned black woman. I give you those details only to let you know where I am coming from as I have a lot to say.

1) I truly believe in "to each their own". I often hear people saying that IR relationships are okay if "for the right reasons", but I say who determines what is right. If a person truly loves someone great for them. If a person is attracted to a certain skin color, then that is their business and no one elses. Just like people can have preference for people based on height, weight, age, etc, it is just another preference and no one else has a right to attempt to define someone elses. When I was single, I was open to whoever I felt like being with, from blonde women from Scandanavia to dark haired woman from the Orient to island women from the Carribean. It just so happens that my dream girl was a black woman from the good old USA.

2) However, and this is what is forcing me to post, I have read enough of your blog and it seems you feel a need to justify your personal preference for white males by denigrating all black males, which deeply saddens me. Please do not deny that you are doing so, I and many of your readers are intelligent enough to see it. We all know the tragic statistics, and they are a reflection of us all, including your father, brother, uncles, etc, any black male you are associated with. Even your sons if you have them and they are not completely "passable". Even though you may possess the ability to distinguish between good men like those in your family and the not so good ones, the rest of society will not.

Also presenting anecdotal evidence to portray black men as sexual predators and implying that you women will be safer elsewhere is completely ignorant to the ways of the world. A world in which unfortunately, all types of men regardless of race or class, prey on all types of women. Remember what happened to that family in Chesire, CT this summer? Remember the guy with the dungeon in upstate NY?

Me and my wife live in a "safer" neighborhood, yet I am grateful every day she comes through the door safely. I make it a point to greet her with a hug and a kiss.

3) To tie points 1 and 2 together, if you are truly happy with your marital arrangement, you do not need to justify it to anyone else. Nor do you need to proselytize others to join your way. Any intelligent woman realizes that it is in her best interest to get the best possible mate she can get. For reasons real and imagined to you, you have deduced that only white men make the best mates (as you tokenly mention other non-blackmen like Latinos, Asians or Indians as an option and you rarely, almost never refer to the good black men out there.)

4) I see a woman who is clearly disconted with her position in the world as a black woman. As much as you seem to be at odds with it, you must realize that is the way it will be. Far too many black women waste precious time and energy being jealous of white women. If you really looked at things you shouldn't be. Hell, not every white woman enjoys the "fruits" of being a white woman. If she is too ugly she gets ignored. If she is too big she is pressured to go without food or to forcefully expel what she has eaten. If she is too competitive she is labeled a female dog and white men will use it as their justifaction to be with non-white women, mostly women of Asian descent (even though black woman out number asian women 3 to 1, white male/asian female marriages out number white male/black female marriages 5 to 1).

Every group has problems. The best thing we can do is to do our best to not to succumb to them. Even if it were possible for you to change groups, you would only be changing problems.

I myself also know of the restraints that the black community puts on us that in many ways perputuate our problems. But they are our problems whether you choose to take ownership or not.

You were born a black woman, and you will die a black woman. You can't marry nor blog your way out of it.

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every time I come here I'm convinced more and more to date out, especially for the sake of my future children.

the post about young berg i saw that on pinky's blog. what he said didn't even a effect me, he's a nobody hoping to get people talking. i never heard of him till i saw the post. People have been calling him out and i don't expect him to go very far either. Men like that don't even phase me. I'm too busy looking about men who want to be with me and see me as desirable.

Just the other day when I was heading to class(im taking a summer's course) there were two white men standing outside(they were cute too). I didn't think anything of it and i was rushing back to class cause i was already 5 mins late from break time. As i walked past them i heard one of them say "look at that chocolate", he didn't say it in a demeaning way.he said it in a way that was like "damn she fine" I know they were talking about me cuz i was the only person outside with them and there were no one else out there and there were no chocolate candy bars in their hand.lol.

I am continually praying that the Lord will send me and good man on his time. In the meantime I keep my eyes and ears opened.

sara my guess why the guy won't answer the question(bm/ww) because he himself probably has dated white women. I normally ask the same question to those bm and normally they can't give an answer. i tell 'em don't get pissed off when im w/ my wbf!

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Mr Anon. I only skimmed your post but I have to wonder why are you here? This blog is so obviously not geared to you. I do not give a damn what problem bm have with what I say or bring up. My blog is for the betterment of black women. I'm sorry you were offended by something you read here. But perhaps you should put your energies into talking to your fellow bm who seem to be out of control! The average bm is a horrible example of betterment in this day and age. It's odd to me with all the unbelievable damage bm are doing in the streets, you come here to bitch about me calling attention to it, instead of trying to stop it. I really find that odd. Further, I am just not interested in whether you think I bash bm or not. I just could not care less so I will not address that issue. I have said numerous times, that there are good bm out there. But if they only seem to have a voice when bm are being called on their mess instead of when bm are DOING their mess, then what good does it do for them to be good men??? I do not want to be anything but a bw Mr. Anon. I am very proud and happy to be a BW, so you mentioning that I will die one, is absurd. Of course I know this, but this I can guarrantee, I will die as one who has made a difference and has awakened as many sistas as I can so they can have a better life with good men regardless of color, and much happier lives. Good day to you sir, why don't you take a visit to the BM's board and see how they speak of women who look like your wife! Listen to the horrible things they say, and then come tell us what you have said to them. If you sat passively and listened saying nothing, then say nothing here! -good day

 
At Saturday, July 12, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you had done more than skim my post you would have noted that I am critical of any man that abuses any woman, I don't care what race or color he is. I have a wife, a mother, sisters, cousins, friends, etc. If I get the terrible notification that something bad has happened to any one of them, the last thing on my mind will be the race of the perpertrator.

I am here as I am always criticial of anything that attempts to debase blacks whether it is women or men. I have a lot to say about "gangsta rap" and I do say it on those forums. But since this forum perpetuates wm=good and bm=bad then that is what I addressed.

Yes far too many BM men are out of control and efforts like this is only going to make the problem worse as people use this information as ammunition against all blacks whether good or bad.

You refer to them as my fellow black man, but they are yours to, whether you accept it or not.

How can you claim to be uplifting and for the betterment of black woman when you are debasing the men that over 95% of them choose to be with?

And you are fooling no-one, least of all yourself. I pity you that the black men in your life failed you so miserably which is why the bulk of your writing seems to reflect far more antipathy towards black men instead genuine caring and attention to black women.

None of that seems to matter to you so I won't take up any more of your time or mines. In the end your argument is not with me, it is with the reality that the world will always view you as an extension of black men. The worse they are, the worse you are, and no white man will be able to save or protect you from that reality.

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

Anonymous guy said:

I myself also know of the restraints that the black community puts on us that in many ways perputuate our problems. But they are our problems whether you choose to take ownership or not.

..........................

First of all...I really don't care what this random unknown person has to say...but I DO want to point out this particular paragraph....PLEASE REJECT THIS NOTION ENTIRELY ....the "problems of the so called bc" are not "OUR" problems...We can only take responsibility for our own lives (which will include our immediate family members.. within reason)...this statement by the Anon guy , is an example of the so called forced "tag teaming" (that CW has mentioned from Gavin DeBecker's book "The Gift of Fear"...a book every decent person should read)...trying to pull you in to this vicious circle...

We cannot (and should not) take ownership of something that is not OURS..I do not accept the damaged lives of criminals and dbrbm's as something that I need to be a part of solving. They themselves need to look within their own moral fiber and KNOW their behaviour is unacceptable, even if they did not have good examples of human beings around them as they were growing up. There comes a point in life, where YOU are the one who makes the decisions....and you know right from wrong, unless you are a sociopath..

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Thank you girl! How the hell are we (once again) responsible for grown people we don't even know? That's outrageous! BM are ALWAYS trying to use guilt and manipulation to get us under thier thumb. I'm so sick of them thinking we owe them something. They owe it to their communities to be better men yet I don't see them ever telling each other that. Then when a good black man does try to say something about the pathetic behavior that passes as acceptable manhood in the bc,they are ripped apart (cosby, obama) I don't owe any grown man a damn thing, and I am not buying that we're in this together bull....

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

From my experience, that wmp privilege card never gets revoked once a man has it. Just look at the sidebar and all the powerful men (who are still powerful, by the way). White men with power/privilege can do whatever the hell they want and everyone around them knows it. They don't a certain colour trophy to assist in their advancement like a black man does.

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

let me tell you a secret Sara... being the 'proud to be dark skinned' BW you are, you are more likely to give birth to a BM than a WM!!!

keep what in mind??? accept white priveledge rather than challenge and change it?

darling, i think you SERIOUSLY need your head examined! so much for not worshipping at the alter of the WM. (this coming from a BW with a white father!)

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

that's very true Anon. If you check out Evia's blog, right now she has Peter Norton and his girlfriend who recently became his wife. He was very rich, prominent and powerful, and hello, he still is! I really think this is one of the reasons bw/wm marriages last so much better/longer than bm/ww. WM certainly do not need bw to increase their stock or as a trophy to impress their friends....

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

LOOK ANON-
DARLING You don't know what the hell YOU are talking about! First of all you were too much a coward to even use your name, and second I don't worship at anybody's alter black or white! So take that bullsh*t somewhere else. 3rd. I don't expect as a bw to give birth to a white child of ANY gender! Since I am not white. And if I had a son (which I do not) I would raise him to be a better black man than the ones I see around me everyday! What's passing for black manhood right now is a damn joke! But if you want to drag some drug dealer, multiple baby momma brother home and call yourself lucky-you be my guest! I am looking to help women who have a lot more sense than that. I'm looking for people who want more. And I'm trying to improve the lives of my fellow sisters. What the hell are you doing? And as far as WMP goes, I certainly understand anyone being upset about it, but what are you doing to change that??? I already have my hands full trying to help sisters have better lives, take care of my family and run 2 businesses, I can't do everything -NOW CAN I?

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow Anon, you sound so militant. Tell me when was the last time you convinced your white daddy not to accept a job because a blk man needed it? When was the last time you refused to take money from him because he made it so much easier than a blk man can? When was the last time you refused to live in a nice neighborhood because you were only able to get in because of your white daddy? Sistagirl, you have benefited from WMP all your freakin life so save your neo black panther bull for someone who buys it!

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ladies you have got the wrong idea about me entirely. I was responding to Andrew talking about how we are golddiggers dating ""date pasty balding unattractive white men..." I never said anything about having a white daddy. I'm trying to tell this ugly-ass man that some of us aren't dating white men for "white male privilege," some of us date white men because we find them more attractive and find black men ugly! That's definitely the case with me! He can insult white men's looks all he wants, but I'm still going to find them more appealing than the feminine traits black men have.

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Last Anon, those remarks were not directed at you! This is the problem of too many people using Anon. instead of making up a name. We are referring to the woman who posted after you. Scroll down and read her entry and it will become clear.....We were not talking to you.

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

Delish said:

We cannot (and should not) take ownership of something that is not OURS..I do not accept the damaged lives of criminals and dbrbm's as something that I need to be a part of solving. They themselves need to look within their own moral fiber and KNOW their behaviour is unacceptable...


Sara said:
Thank you girl! How the hell are we (once again) responsible for grown people we don't even know? That's outrageous! BM are ALWAYS trying to use guilt and manipulation to get us under thier thumb. I'm so sick of them thinking we owe them something...

I couldn't have said it any better. What in the "Uncle Ruckus Hell" are you doing over here Anon? What could possibly be your motivation *rolls eyes*? Obviously this blog is not meant for you or your ilk.

Why don’t you find yourself a blog meant for bm/ww and start your crusade over there? Until then sit back and enjoy your family and...

Keep hope alive *in the voice of Jesse Jackson*

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

I agree would certainly agree delish. I find bm very attractive. that is not the problem at all. There is nothing wrong with them physically....

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

By the way...can someone clone Arthur STAT...we need 1 Arthur for every woman in the world...ie a REAL man.

ITA

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that is one, messed-up, idea. Most non-black folk in the country have personal experience with decent black folk, and knows better than that. Any black person who wants to and does separate themselves from the dangers and behaviors of the thug culture is displaying the attitudes that the larger society sees as its own; the work ethic, the family ethic, the rejection of the glamourization of crime. Only by standing by the thug life and defending it is a bw be judged as part of it.

If this is so, then how come whites are more apt to adopt a baby or young child from China or Korea or Russia or anywhere else as long as it is not African American baby? Most babies/young children are not into the thug life as you put it, but they are viewed as an extension of the people that they are derived from.

I speak from personal experience on this, no matter how hardworking, honest, friendly, etc. the black person is there will be moments in there lives when they are reminded that they are "black" by mainstream society. Sara provides an example herself when she wrote about how she saw her father needing someone else's word to bail her father out of trouble at work.

Sure we can. We do it all the time. We call it 'taking care of our own'.

If this were so, then there would be no such thing as white male privilege. Did you know the average white male high school dropout earns more yearly income than the average black female college graduate? If you truly want to protect black females, then make them your equals in all aspects of society. Genuine equality would provide the best protection.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Did you know the average white male high school dropout earns more yearly income than the average black female college graduate?" That is false. If you're going to say such things, please cite your sources.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have never heard such a stat either, and I'm going to check that out right now, because I don't beleive it.......

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Census: College-educated white women earning less than black women...

WASHINGTON (AP) — Black and Asian women with bachelor's degrees earn slightly more than similarly educated white women, and white men with four-year degrees make more than anyone else.
A white woman with a bachelor's degree typically earned nearly $37,800 in 2003, compared with nearly $43,700 for a college-educated Asian woman and $41,100 for a college-educated black woman, according to data being released Monday by the Census Bureau. Hispanic women took home slightly less at $37,600 a year.

The bureau did not say why the differences exist. Economists and sociologists suggest possible factors:

Employers in some fields may give extra incentives to black women with degrees.....

So that above line is complete bullsh*t! If black women (college educated) are earning slightly more than college educated WW, then to say that a high school grad wm earns more than a col. Ed. bw means said man would also earn more than a college educated WW! Does that sound remotely plausible? That was complete and utter bull! The average HS grad (WM) is earning 22.000 per year. The average College educated BW is earning over 40.000 per year! That was nothing but a deliberate falsehood intended to wreak havoc on this board...Go start trouble elsewhere!

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://books.google.com/books?id=6fZ80sb1Il4C&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=average+income+%22white+male+high+school+dropout%22+%22black+female+college+graduate%22&source=web&ots=HXt1m16X14&sig=iDqgCrEVpxbL4bfs9KtgKOsj8TU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA122,M1

Yes, I apologize, this stat is from a 1989 study.

However, that does not change my overall fundamental point. Even your own article (which I had to look up to get the rest of the stats) states that a white male with a college diploma earns over $66,000 a year, which is $25,000 more than black women with a college diploma. Far, far away from genuine equality.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger arthur said...

You pushed a button here, friend. About 10 years ago, I looked into adoption, with the idea of adopting minority. But I discovered that there was no way it could happen. Here's why:

In 1972, the National Association of Black Social Workers declared that placing black children with white families was a form of “cultural genocide.” and that statement has become the adoption industry's unwritten law. Unless you are a celebrity, or have a lot of money and don't care how you spend it, or have some means of putting pressure on the agencies, there's no way they will let white adopt black. 40% of children in foster care are minority and they won't let white adopt black. Bah!

I'm not sure how it is that me looking out for the women in my own family is the cause of white male privlege ... ?.

But leaving all that alone, I certainly and absolutely believe that every human being deserves the same respect and dignity regardless of race or gender. I do what I can in my own life to further that end, and I expect you do as well.

But it's a broken world, and only Christ can really mend it, when He returns. In the meantime, we do what we can.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I LOVE THIS BLOG!

and sara, here's someone who agrees with you about the backlash re: cosby and obama speaking up about bm and personal responsibilty: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taii-k-austin/aww-grandpa-jacksons-off_b_111948.html

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

also, i wanted to say that i am a bw who dates wm exclusively and not as a last resort! it's my preference and has been for many, many years.

thanks for putting up another fantastic blog that lets women like me (progressive thinkers from intolerant families) find each other in a place where we can be supported!!

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you say about adoption and blacks and true and unfortunate. I can only imagine that all forms must be trying, including international adoptions and the red tape those people must contend with.

But leaving all that alone, I certainly and absolutely believe that every human being deserves the same respect and dignity regardless of race or gender. I do what I can in my own life to further that end, and I expect you do as well.

But it's a broken world, and only Christ can really mend it, when He returns. In the meantime, we do what we can.


You seem like a really nice guy, Arthur and I appreciate having a straightfoward discussion with you without ad hominem attacks, which is a rarity in this age of internet blogging.

I extend my cyber handshake.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

hi, stephanie and welcome. We're happy you're here, and hope you will come back often. But I have one question: How did you find us? Did you see the link-or did someone refer you?

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i was actually doing a search for interracial dating sites/forums b/c i'm looking for my next wm. :)

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger arthur said...

..I extend my cyber handshake..

Taken, my friend. Perhaps we can speak again.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

"I went out to the parlor the other day and heard my son and his father talking about Real Estate!"

this for me is an example of why i find wm so attractive, the fact that they spend time with/talk with their kids. as an african female, my father was not in my life but it really didn't matter since my uncles really took his place - especially one of my aunty's husband (whose father had also abandoned him). he was/is a father to me - a very active father towards me. and if anyone knows african men, even though they will provide for their children, there often is not much interaction with the kids, except maybe through disciplining. so i really find the way a lot of wm interact with their children attractive because i want that for my kids one day

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger Gloria said...

Did you know the average white male high school dropout earns more yearly income than the average black female college graduate?" That is false. If you're going to say such things, please cite your sources.

Uh, oh, then my parents got a lot of explaining to do. I still owe five grand on my student loan *side-eyeing college degree on wall*

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lyra, you are my new Shero. You were so smart to take that date and your sister also.
Your life story should be turned into a movie. I like how you said, "I cannot believe I am living this life?" All of us ladies are so very happy for you and your families.

a. f.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Blogger Sophisticatedblkwoman said...

Good post once again Sara. To the anonymous that posted the comment about Young Berg and his racism towards "Dark Butts", this dude doesn't matter at all he sounds so ill educated and btw, those girls on there with him cosigning to how ugly dark girls are, were Latina, not a surprise to me. Nice comments from everyone and one more thing Sara,the Andrew guy it just might be a good idea to show his post (minus profanity) this way it will prove what you and the rest of us on here see in black men.

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

to sara and all the ladies of this blog community, thank you! I posted earlier that I've become obsessed with the blog and my addiction continues. I'm a bw with 2 degrees, one of which is ivy league. My bw friends from college are almost all happily dating or married to wm. These are guys we met at school, work, travelling internationally, etc. Independent of ANY man, we all make very good livings, are financially secure, and most importantly we (like you ladies!) have too much self-respect to settle for a man who cannot or will not be everything you require.

My personal preference (physically) is wm and I also enjoy the treatment wm have given me. They don't expect me to put up with disrespect of any kind bc they were raised by other wm who treated their ww moms like crystal (which they deserve too!)and learned to pass that on to their own loves.

I am proud of my choices and refuse to defend them to the DBR "community" members. Sorry this is so long, sara, but I am filled with love and energy for all the bw on this site encouraging each other to dismiss ignorance and demand the best. My family constantly tries to "program" me to no avail. Not happenin'. My relatives' disapproval is dumbfounding, considering that the women in my family have been (literally) stripped, beaten, degraded, neglected, stolen from, and one cousin's crackhead hubby burned down her home while my baby cousins were sleeping inside. Everyone escaped physically safe, but they STILL cling to the myth that bw are the property of bm. Astounding.
If more bw started acting in their own best interests,they would be safer and have more options.

I refuse to stay in the interracial "closet." I have a right to be me.

steph

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

So proud of you steph, and so sorry for all you have gone through, but at least you don't have the blinders on and you can see the future you want, and have enough sense not to let anyone take it from you. I have some damaged men in my family to. So I know all about that. Thank goodness, you refuse to be deceived. Congratulations on your stellar degrees. We're very proud of you. God bless, and write as long as you wish....I guarrantee you there are young sistas out there eating up every word, and desparate for more in their fight to escape.....

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger Welcome said...

We don't need everyone knowing what losers our men are!-please remove that part immediately!

Well it really isn't a secret. Many people in the U. S. and e everywhere else know most of what we try to hide.

 

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