Sunday, July 13, 2008

How to handle racist Inlaws..... + wealth tips (scroll down )









Mweigna, and her husband and 3 daughters: at wedding and on vacation...


BELOW: are two separate accounts (one by a sister in law and one by a young bw married interracially) They are both dealing with familial animosity regarding Interracial Relationships....
I'm not racist but I hate seeing my brother with his black wife?? What's wrong with me?
I was even a bride's maid at the wedding! Now, it's like I HATE seeing them together ever since she got pregnant! When I see her big belly and I just cringe!!! I think she just wanted a BI-RACIAL baby from my very handsome brother! I really liked her at first but now I wish she would just go away even though I know it's not gonna happen! She is kinda stuck up too!!! I'm even starting to resent my brother....I hate feeling like this!! No one knows I feel like this!!! HELP ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the first lady had a different 'picture' of AAs. Seeing her new sister in law and getting to know her convinced her that this woman was not a shucking, (head bowed) 'good one'. WW often seem to feel that we should fit the stereotype that has been floating around in their minds, and when we don't -they are often very disapointed. I think she is going to have to come to terms with her own racism and reconcile the problem within herself. The sentence "she's kind of stuck up too" further reinforces my belief that the sister in law 'thought too much of herself ' in this woman's eyes. Having to confront her own feelings of superiority in the face of someone who refuses to acknowledge it (her superiority) has made her resentful and bewildered. She has internalized these feelings, but just like truth crushed to earth, they rose again, causing her to feel irritated, angry and confused. She will have to work through this on her own. It is doubtful that her brother will understand, and he may resent her resentment of his wife...... What do you think about this situation?
2nd story is an (email directly to me)
Hi Sara,

I read your blog all the time and really love it. I have a bit of a problem and I'm hoping you can give me some good advice. My husband and I met 10 yrs ago, in Florida. We hit it off immediately. We both like many of the same things. We were together for almost 3 yrs before we decided to get married. In all that time I had seen his family many times, and although they were a bit standoffish, I thought they were ok with me being black. Well, I was so wrong. After the wedding his mother grew increasingly cold and hostile to me. I complained to my husband, who thought I was overreacting. After a while, she refused to visit our home anymore. Now 7 yrs after we married we finally gave birth to beautiful twin baby girls. Now his mother wants to take a trip out to see us. I think she really wants to see the babies. I do not want her around my children. She is racist and cold. She told his sister, that she wished he had married a white girl. Well too bad -he didn't But my question is: should I allow her to come and should I be gracious or cold like she has been? Please let me know because the trip is coming up soon, and I'm wondering whether to put her in a hotel. -

Thanks Danielle

Danielle, I really think you should allow your mother in law to come. Babies have a way of changing even the hardest hearts and I think she is ready to make amends. If she is rude or cold, simply say to her:

"by the way mother _________ when is your flight out?" (while looking her directly in the eye) Women are very perceptive. Trust me she will pick up on your hidden meaning. This will alert her to either change the behavior or get herself back home. Also, let hubby know how irritated you are with her past behavior. Perhaps he can talk with her and get to the bottom of the problem. I'm going to let turn your question over to my readers now, and get their two cents worth. Stay turned for the answers -Sara

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79 Comments:

At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have to admit, i felt the same way about my brother and his white wife. i got along so well with her until i started getting a sense that she was only with him because he was black and possibly got pleasure from the thought of somehow annoying black women + she's now really stuck up too. then i started feeling pissed at my brother for being sooo... blind? i dont know how i feel to be honest.

i feel sympathy for the ww, now people are going to label her a racist.

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Sara, I think you pegged it perfectly on the first account. She thought she was going to be bowing down and worshipping the ground wp walked on and she was pissed that she didn't I myself have often been accused of being stuck up by ww because I keep to myself. Anyway, you pegged it perfect and gave the 2nd woman good advice. I especially loved the when are you leaving hint. lol great post and great wealth ideas... thanks so much

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

That's very interesting Anon #1. So I take it you and your SIL don't get along, Do you two speak at all?

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, reading this post, YET AGAIN, I find myself feeling very blessed and fortunate (everytime I come here it's like a boost in my self-esteem, it reaffirms that I'm so very fortunate and have made some good choices). My man's sister is like a sister to me, she is warm, welcoming, kind, she always greets me with a big hug, even when I am a little apprehensive. She tells her brother all the time that he made a good choice. I am glad that I got together with a European man (with a European, very anti-racism sister!)

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

We'll being hearing of more instances like these as black women start dating out more ,I find it funny that I hear a lot of people saying that bw want mixed kids when they date interracially ,I think they sense self hate on the bw's part .I remember Oprah having a bw on years ago who had a mixed daughter cause she wanted her to be "pretty" didn't watch all of it ,made me uncomfortable.

I just read this post from Yeagley's blog a second ago would love to get your opinion on it and some of your more intelligent readers.


http://www.badeagle.com/


Bougie

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

The second scenario will probably be better once the Granny sees her "flesh and blood." Even the coldest of hearts will melt at the sight of a little baby, and twins to boot (as Sara pointed out)...perhaps the mother can involve the MIL in activities, and call her for "advice" continuously, even if she doesn't really need it. Let the MIL feel like the Queen Bee of the family..one who is needed desperately...LOL..works every time...also, when confronted with these situations, we must also be honest about our own behaviour...and ask if we have contributed in any way, or if there is something we can handle better. Once honestly addressed, if the behaviour of the inlaws remains the same..then you have to move to another layer of problem solving.

The first situation is more insiduous....and I need time to write my dissertation on that one..lol...that sister in law is basically "Missy Anne" from Roots.

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Felicity said...

All I can say, it is time to bring Jesus into dealing with difficult mother-in-law, sister in laws and other family members and maybe before we meet our husbands, we ask God for husband with nice family members. I have to agree with story 1, The white woman had a stereotype of the black women, and because her black sister in law did not fit it, she is annoyed, angry, frustrated and confused. With the mother in law, get God involved. Best of Luck

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Bougie, I just find that a very strange remark about bw just wanting mixed kids. BW have chased 'brothers' for years! But since we now have more bw opening up their options -they just want mixed kids! So explain to me why bm have been chasing ww like they're been going out of style for years? Would you attribute that to self hate as you alluded to about bw? A certain small segment of people will of course have ridiculous reasons for IR dating, but the majority of bw want A GOOD HUSBAND, AND FATHER FOR THEIR KIDS. And for the record I see beautiful non-mixed black children everyday....

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara I was not saying that was my opinion ,just that comment by the sil about the bw wanting biracial kids from her brother brought to mind postings from other sites that mentioned bw getting preg by non black men .

My opinion is that people who think like that feel that bw are so in love with bm that the only reason a bw would sleep with a nonblack male is for the mixed child. Those people also accept bm dating ww because they feel ww are better.

In agreement with you that bw want good stable men who are their physical ideal.

Bm who like ww are not thinking about kids [they're just the consquence of the sex act]they're after white tail plain and simple
bougie

 
At Sunday, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big Brother 10 is on ,it has a attractive bw who is interracialy married on , I hope I'm wrong but can't help but believe she's going home first

Bougie

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

CMCG, of course, you are right. After all any man ignorant enough to tell a woman to her face that he is so self hating as to be color struck and primarily concerned by her hair instead of her personality, will of course tend to attract women who who are so insipid and shallow, they would find this to be a compliment.....

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger TC said...

After reading the first letter I felt the woman had a stronger reaction to the pregnancy than to the SIL's race. In fact, she states she didn't have a problem until the pregnancy. Maybe the woman feels threatened by the permanent shift in the relationship with her brother. Maybe she's at a threshhold about her fertility. I feel like she's using race as a deflecter so she won't have to delve too deeply into what is really going on in her own life. I discovered in college that I was actually jealous of some of the people I claimed I could not stand, and it was not until I examined my feelings closely that I could make necessary changes in my life. I would not be surprised to discover the sister and the SIL are about the same age but the SIL has achieved the things in life the sister thought she would have had by now.

With the second letter, I'd invite the MIL over, but I'd put her in a hotel and invite my realtives to act as a buffer. With 7 years and no visits,she's on probabtion until she can prove she can act right.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

i think the whole bw wanting biracial kids idea is just another way of making people think that black women and white men don't really want each other. as if the only reason why they get together is for outside reasons, nothing to do with love or attraction. that mentality obviously makes a lot of black men and white women feel good since it makes them appear very much desired and valued. i can probably argue that its the other way around, sara has even written about it before how some black women want to date white men but don't want children with them. i have to say i used to be one of those crazy females but my eyes are truly open now (thanks to bw like sara and evia).

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger Welcome said...

We'll being hearing of more instances like these as black women start dating out more ,I find it funny that I hear a lot of people saying that bw want mixed kids when they date interracially ,I think they sense self hate on the bw's part .


I don't know many I know want dark skinned children. And are a bit apprehensive about ir because they feel it's like saying that only biracial children are beautiful. While that is ridiculous I also understand because it's how black women are taught how we are supposed to thnk. Lets say someone said that Black babies are beautiful babies and then said mixed/biracial babies are beautiful. The person listening especially in the black community is going to hone in on that biracial babies bit and totally disregard the first comment.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

I see black women with dark skinned children everyday, now if they did not want them why in the world would they have them? So I don't agree with that. Many women have looked for the darkest bm they can find because they were so attracted to that chocolate skin. You certainly cannot expect a chocolate man to give you vanilla children, esp. when you are also chocolate. Basically, I feel like an emotionally healthy person loves their child regardless of their color. And I DO NOT WANT THIS to turn into a dark v light discussion. Lets keep the comments on par with the discussion.....

Mr. L you wasted your time sending that 2 page long exhorbitant self-serving drivel about yourself. I told you, until you can answer the question at hand, don't bother posting and I meant it. A 2 page tribute to your ALLEGED acomplishments is not the focus of this post and would not have been published anyway. This blog is about BLACK WOMEN AND THEIR BETTERMEENT! IT's NOT ABOUT YOU!!!!

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent Post! FWIW please consider the following - as far as the first woman Sara you are on target. Her feelings about a situation external to her i.e. her brothers marriage and his wife are all because of how she herself feels. Her self concept and view of the world have been challenged and/is challenged repeatedly.Rather than deal with her own "stuff" she is lashing out. Chances are her brother may be aware of this but as long as it remains her issue and does not impact the way she treats his wife and family - he will not make an issue of it. However if she does not get a grip - undoubtedly he will go there and shut it down.

As for the woman with the mother in law, recommend she talk with her husband make sure they are on the same page and go forward with the visit. Make hotel arrangements for mom-in-law (MIL). This will allow mom and son to see each other, MIL can see the grand babies and visit as much as she would like, but go back to her hotel and be pampered and not disturbed by the crying of the children who do not sleep through the night just yet. Pitch it that way and no offense is taken and no argument can be given. Thank her for any offer to "help" but insist that her "happiness in spending time with the grand babies is all the "help" you need.

She will effectively "kill with kindness and graciousness" that will only "shame" MIL for her smallness. Be gracious - living well, with grace and style is the best answer to racism and stupidity. Being cold if that is not your natural state harms you - aim for cordial but distant. As a Mom, this woman clearly is concerned first and foremost for the safety of her children and family and must honor that feeling. Putting Mom in a hotel allows mom and son to interact (clearly hubby does not want to face the fact that his mom is a racist - no one wants to believe someone they love could be racist - that is a situation that will resolve itself over time) - having MIL in a hotel is a buffer. It reduces the time she has to interact in her own home with someone who disrespects her (racism or any "ism" is about disrespect) and prevents continuous access to the grand babies by MIL. It is doubtful that she would try to harm them but it does not make sense to take chances with less than rational people. Racism is not rational. Think of it this way - Mom and son seeing each other - cost of a hotel room for a few nights- not having to worry about MIL or put up with coldness and tension in your own home, or stress and strife between you and your spouse because of tension, keeping the babies safe - priceless.

V/r

Clarice

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Basically, I feel like an emotionally healthy person loves their child regardless of their color."

WORD. ALL children, regardless of skin-tone, phenotype, hair-texture, etc... are BEAUTIFUL and worthy of being loved and cherished.

A healthy, non-damaged, self-loving individual loves THEIR child regardless of what they look like or what "race" they favor. Because the child is theirs and they came from them.

Keep handling these trolls Taylor-Sara. You're doing an EXCELLENT job.

BM (at least these days) are some of the MOST colorist/discriminatory people around. Even when it comes to their own offspring.

It has been found in nature, that the closer a child looks to their father, actually increases the likelihood that the father will stay in his offsprings life.

However, in the upside down/reversed African-American "community", the MORE a full black child looks like his father the LEAST likely that child is to have a relationship with him.

Ask scores of black children with biracial half brothers/sisters fathered by their daddies if that's not true.

They will tell you.

And to think someone would claim black women are just trying to have beautiful children.

Black women gave birth to HUMANITY. The FIRST mother of our human species was a BLACK woman.

And the world knows we've given birth to beautiful children that cover a RAINBOW spectrum when it comes to kids.

And we've LOVED (and continue to) them REGARDLESS of complexion, phenotype, hair-texture, etc...

From the blackest to the whitest and everything in between.

So these fools questioning us, need to go question some of these damaged black daddies.

And ask THEM if they're making preferences with their own flesh and blood. Neglecting those who are carbon copies of THEMSELVES out of PURE self-hatred.

But we all know what the answer TOO often is. Now don't we...

They don't need to say SQUAT to us.

Again, keep up the good and needed work Taylor-Sara.

And thank you for not posting the rants of these Trolls.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Excellent advice clarice...
See how brilliant my readers are Danielle. If you pose it like that (not wanting to disturb her with crying babies) clarice is right, no offense can be taken. And she will not be in your house....
Excellent advice....

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Wow, felicia!
My God. I never thought of it like that. But you are soooo right. The more they look their daddy (full black children) the less likely they are to have a relationship with him! It's horrible but true! And if that is not a manifestation of pure self hate, I don't know what is....

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"However, in the upside down/reversed African-American "community", the MORE a full black child looks like his father the LEAST likely that child is to have a relationship with him."

Sad, but great point Felicia!"
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I noticed that in my community how black fathers are more committed to the kids education, well being and safety if the kids are bi-racial (latina or white) and most of the time the kids don't even look like them at all. Yet, I have noticed some bi-racial kids who have taken on their black fathers features dark skin, lips etc..are abandoned similar to black children.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taylor-sara,

Below is a very long excerpt from a very long article
that is a MUST read to further explain what I was getting at.

Now I in no way wish to condemn ALL black fathers because there are some WONDERFUL black men out there. My father - who has been married to my mother for over 40 years - has always been (and continues to be) involved in my life and I know there are other sistas who can attest to the love and care they've received from their fathers.

However, there is a disturbing and growing trend that is now on an international level concerning BM and the way they relate (or don't) to their children that can't be ignored.

OK the excerpt...



http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1072&context=pittlwps

FACIAL RESEMBLANCE STUDY

The first study tests the “paternal resemblance hypothesis.” This hypothesis
states that adult men will favor children who look like them.
Drawn from
evolutionary theory, it presumes that the occurrence of cuckoldry creates a
significant possibility that a man might invest in children to whom he is not
biologically related. Caring for children who do not share his differential genetic
material would not enhance his reproductive success.

Because of this possibility, an adult man has a strong interest in increasing
the probability that the child he is caring for shares his genetic material.

There are two approaches he can use. First, he can monitor or sequester the woman he
wants to bear his children, reducing the risk of cuckoldry. Second, he can try to
assess paternity after a child is born based on the degree to which the child
resembles him in terms of facial and other physical features. The second strategy
leads a man to favor a child that resembles him.
Several studies indicate that men
use this strategy and that the hypothesized favoritism results.

For example, a study involving men convicted of domestic violence found that the more men
perceived that their children resembled them, the better the men treated their
children.
Other studies have shown that men are more likely to abuse stepchildren,
or otherwise unrelated children.9 Another set of studies reveal that
mothers, and their friends and relatives in maternity wards, are more likely to
comment on children’s resemblance to their fathers than to their mothers or other
family members.

Based on these latter studies, researchers theorize that mothers,
friends, and relatives are unconsciously, yet strategically, attempting to reinforce
fathers’ perceptions of resemblance in order to secure full paternal investment.

To test the paternal resemblance theory more directly and rigorously,
researchers experimentally manipulated adult-child resemblance. Their study
manipulated facial resemblance through computerized facial morphing, or mixing,
and determined the adult subjects’ reactions by questions concerning aspects of
parental investment.

The researchers photographed 40 undergraduate students. Using computer
software, each subject’s picture was morphed with the pictures of either a twoyear-
old girl or boy. The resulting image represented a 50:50 combination of the
subject and the child.

The researchers showed each subject “five faces on a computer screen
arranged in a semicircular array with a question embedded in the middle” (for
example, “which one of these children do you find to be the most attractive?”).

The subjects viewed two separate arrays ten times, selecting one image in
response to each of ten separate questions.

The first array included one image
of the subject morphed with a child’s face and four images of other adults.

The researchers posed the ten questions to assess the subjects’ attitudes
toward, and likely treatment of, the pictured children.

The subjects selected one child’s face in response to questions such as the following: “Which one of these
children would you be most likely to adopt? Which one of these children do you
find to be the most attractive?”

The researchers recorded both the subjects’
responses and response times. They also asked the subjects to explain how they made their choices and whether it had been difficult to choose one face from each array.

The researchers found that the sex of the child had no effect, but, the sex of
the adult subject did:


When subjects were shown their own faces morphed with a child’s in an array
of four other people’s faces morphed with that child, males were more likely to
choose the face that resembled their own as the one they would be most likely
to adopt, the most attractive, the child they would spend the most time with, the
child they would spend money on, and the child they would least resent having
to pay child support for.
Unlike males, females were relatively indifferent to whether the children’s
faces resembled their own. There were no questions where females were more
likely than males to choose a face that they had been morphed with.
In fact,
females took longer to respond to all questions, and more women than men
expressed difficulty in choosing faces. Whereas in self-morph arrays males
chose which child to support or punish quickly and easily, females took longer
to deliberate and attempted to distribute their choices across faces.

The actual percentages in response rates bring to life the differences
summarized by the researchers. Ninety percent of the men picked their self-morph
in designating the child they would most likely adopt, while only 35% of the
women chose their self-morph.24 Eighty-five percent of the men, but only 35% of the women, chose their self-morph in identifying the most attractive child.

Seventy percent of the men and 35% of the women designated their self-morph
as the child they would be comfortable spending the most time with.

Eighty percent of the men and 40% of the women identified their self-morph as the child
they would spend $50 on. Forty percent of the men and 25% of the women
picked their self-morph as the child they would least resent having to pay child
support for. Finally, none of the men chose their self-morph as the child they
would punish most, while 15% of the women selected their self-morph.

These response rates reveal both the significant difference between the sexes concerning
the impact of adult-child resemblance, and the substantial importance of
resemblance to men in how they perceive and react to specific children.

Findings for the array including self-morphs differed from the findings for the
array that did not include self-morphs. For this second array of faces, “there
were no sex differences in the likelihood of selecting any particular face. In
addition, both men and women apparently chose faces from the second array at
random.

A final important aspect of the study was the subjects’ lack of awareness of
the effect of resemblance on their choices. There was little consensus among the
subjects on how they selected faces. In particular, “when queried about their
choices at the conclusion of the experiment, none identified resemblance as a
factor in how they chose which child to support or punish, nor did they even
realize that their faces had been morphed with the child.” To underscore the
unconscious nature of the effect of resemblance on the subjects’ choices, the
researchers pressed further:
During debriefing, subjects were told that their face had been morphed with
some of the faces, and they were given the opportunity to view the faces again.
But none could pick their self-morph out of the array. It was not until the real,
unmorphed picture of the subject and the self-morph were aligned next to each
other on the computer screen that they could identify their morph, and subjects
expressed surprise that they had been unable to see their own features embedded
in the face of the child.


Of course, the results of the study indicate that the male subjects were able, at
some level, to “see” their own features embedded in a particular child’s face.
Although not a fully conscious perception, it was powerful.
The researchers end their discussion of the study by bringing to bear concepts
drawn from human evolutionary history. Their primary finding, that resemblance
plays a greater role in how males react toward children, is consistent with the
literature regarding treatment of unrelated children and how paternal resemblance
influences child abuse and investment.

Whatever the concepts and theories that help explain the study’s findings, the
data suggest that facial resemblance is a factor in determining men’s reactions to
particular children. The data also suggest that the use of the resemblance factor
operates at a relatively unconscious level.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

energize said...

"I noticed that in my community how black fathers are more committed to the kids education, well being and safety if the kids are bi-racial (latina or white) and most of the time the kids don't even look like them at all. Yet, I have noticed some bi-racial kids who have taken on their black fathers features dark skin, lips etc..are abandoned similar to black children."

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AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE BLACK MALE SELF-HATRED THAT YOU NEVER HEAR DISCUSSED AMONGST BLACK PEOPLE.

What you want to bet some of these "bi-racial" kids from these non-black women ain't even these mens kids to begin with! As the saying goes... "momma's baby daddy's maybe". Even (GASPH!) white & latina women cheat occasionally.

Yet like you say the non black looking ones are more likely to be educated, and protected.

While the biracial ones who've taken on their black fathers looks, tend to get shafted.

THESE SELF-HATING BLACK MEN ARE DISGUSTING.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

First anony.,
Why do you feel sympathy for the ww? What is your reasoning? The ww did not have any sound and reasonable reasons for disliking her sister-in-law until after it was known that she was going to be an Aunt.
It sounds more like jealously. The b-sister-in-law has a handsome husband, they both probably have decent jobs and now a baby???
Actually, I believe this
w-sister-in-law probably would have felt this way even if her brother had married an Asian female and the sister sounds as if she is a little in love with her brother...my brother can do no wrong type of thing.

Ann F.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Felicia, now that is food for thought and you many have a point.

However, this past Saturday I saw a bm with his bw and child and this guy was loving his son. He was a proud father and it was very nice to see him take credit for his son's looks. As the father said to the two of us females who were playing with the baby..."He takes after me."

a.f.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you want to bet some of these "bi-racial" kids from these non-black women ain't even these mens kids to begin with! As the saying goes... "momma's baby daddy's maybe". Even (GASPH!) white & latina women cheat occasionally.
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Funny you should mention this, but this was damn near a Maury Povich show. I am ashamed to admit I watched this but I was home one day when I was off from work and of course they were doing the paternity tests. There was a ww/bm irr unmarried couple. The dynamic was different because this bm was insisting that this was his child, even though the child looked 100% white. He was an unmixed darker skinned bm and she was a pure ww. Of course it was possible, but not highly probable that those two would give birth to a child that looked like a 9 month old Dakota Fanning - very, very white with white blond hair and crystal blue eyes. That black fool loved that child to death and was saying that he had white ancestors and all such other mess. He was coming on the show to basically put the issue to rest because his black mother and sister who had more sense than him obviously was saying no way was that child half black. Well, DNA results showed that he was NOT THE FATHER. You should have seen how upset this bm got not to have a white baby to claim as his. I really think that either consciously or unconsciously many are practising some form of Eugenics. Which is why whenever I see pictures of Tiger Woods or Kobe's children, I always say to myself - "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BUDDY."

Can't tell you how many of my Jamaican friends tell me how their male relatives who live in either the US or the UK come strutting back to Jamaica to visit family beaming from ear to ear with a mixed child in tow and making sure to make the rounds so the whole family can see that "operation dilute the black genes" is successful. Meanwhile, their nonmixed children don't get the same proud papa treatment. Matter of fact, there seems to be a lot of resentment towards their black mothers for daring to require that they support their black children. While they either happily marry the nonblack woman or happily cut her a check every week to care for them.

Another thing I noticed is that these types of bm dote and particularly fawn over their bi-racial daughters more so than their bi-racial sons, which I find interesting but puzzling also. Why is that? Because lighter skin is a more feminine feature?

The first clue in the letter from the white SIL is if the first words out of your mouth is that you aren't a racist, that only tends to make me believe that you are. There is something deeper going on because she claims that she was cool with it before the pregnancy, now all of a sudden she is grossed out by their union. The very sight of her belly makes her cringe?!?! WTF?!?!?

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

sara have you read this articla on Matthew McConaughey. I don't know how legit it is seeing how there is no source

http://underprivilegedmedia.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/mcconaughey-went-black/

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Blogger La♥audiobooks said...

You did a good analysis on the white female in number one. I suspect she’s also being a selfish and jealous woman period. She must be "cringing" with overall jealousy to see another woman in a possible loving marriage while expecting their first born. And of course, what’s double eating her is the fact that it’s a black female getting what "they" only are entitled to get. I could only imagine all the cringe worthy things she’s seeing her brother do for his "stuck up" black wife. No man, much less a white one is supposed to love us, rub our feet, sing to our big belly, get us ice cream at 4am, cater to our sensitive hormones, or much less stick around. You got to understand, this is just way too close to home for this poor chic. This also ties in with your superiority and entitlement theory.

I often wonder when white people like her call out "for help", do so because they know they're dirt wrong and need to be set straight, or perhaps they’re really searching for company to justify their racist feelings. I would love to hear what the black sister in-law has to say about her.

As for the black woman in number two, that was also the best advice, for the sake of peace. I have to admit it would be hard for me to tolerate. I would try my best, but she will receive the "you're in my territory, check yourself" treatment.

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Felicia, now that is food for thought and you many have a point.

However, this past Saturday I saw a bm with his bw and child and this guy was loving his son. He was a proud father and it was very nice to see him take credit for his son's looks. As the father said to the two of us females who were playing with the baby..."He takes after me."

a.f."


That is BEAUTIFUL A.F.

Thanks for sharing that observation! Really sweet.

Everyone - at least everyone normal - LOVES a man (regardless of "race" and whether he's in an "IR" or "same race" relationship) who loves his children and the woman who gave birth to them.

We need more strong loving families all around. Black, white, black/white, Asian, hispanic, etc...

I'm just for love period. Minus the hypocacy and the unnecessary drama.

Like Rodney King said... "can't we all just get along?!"LOL

 
At Monday, July 14, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an avid Dr. Laura listener, he is what I have learned that might help the lady in scenario #2. Her husband needs to lay down the law with his mom. "Treat the mother of my children right, or you won't be seeing the kids". Dr. Laura makes no bones about it to MILs who don't like their DILs(of any race) that if you want to be a grandma, you be nice to the lioness at the gate who is their mother. The mother holds the cards, but only if her husband stands firm out of respect for his wife.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger Unknown said...

goodness gracious, where to begin. From the link where the black nfl couple adopted a white baby, that is just plain shameful. I really do feel many blacks around the world simply love whiteness (even if they hate white power). Why would you as a rich black couple, adopt a white child when there are literally thousands (if not millions) of black children available for adoption. Black children that could have greatly benefited from their status and income through education, confidence and opportunities. Adopting a black child would have at least increased the number of black people in the world that are privileged. Instead, what they did was just increase the number of privileged white people into the world, as if there isn’t enough. That is just sad. That is the main problem with black people, instead of uplifting ourselves, we uplift others (ie, bm uplifting every women on earth EXCEPT bw; ie a lot of bm destroying their communities through violence; bpeople considering education as a white thing; bpeople supporting mostly nonblack businesses), it just doesn’t make any sense, it really doesn’t.

“Ask scores of black children with biracial half brothers/sisters fathered by their daddies if that's not true.”

“I noticed that in my community how black fathers are more committed to the kids education, well being and safety if the kids are bi-racial (latina or white) and most of the time the kids don't even look like them at all. Yet, I have noticed some bi-racial kids who have taken on their black fathers features dark skin, lips etc..are abandoned similar to black children.”

These two quotes make me cringe; it makes you realize just how deep this self hatred goes with a lot of black men. Even though we black women have our own issues, for some reason it just seems that bm are just more damaged. I guess what I’m wondering is how come black men first, don’t realize what they’re doing, second, why aren’t they ashamed or embarrassed that they’re literally serving white men to this day through their actions (devaluing blackness while casting whiteness as desirable). When I read those comments, I was embarrassed; how come the men doing these things don’t feel embarrassed.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess what I’m wondering is how come black men first, don’t realize what they’re doing, second, why aren’t they ashamed or embarrassed that they’re literally serving white men to this day through their actions (devaluing blackness while casting whiteness as desirable). When I read those comments, I was embarrassed; how come the men doing these things don’t feel embarrassed.

Because they're not normal.

Damaged bm don't care because they are products of damaged chauvinistic pro-white women anti-black women cultures that don't require them to care about their negative image or reflect on (or acknowledge) the pain they're inflicting on what's left of the black community, black women, and their own black children.

That's why.

Any black woman still pining away for this sorry, worthless, racist, and self-hating population needs to have her head examined.

Remember ladies, the focus has to stay on YOU and how you're not going to be victimized by the anti-black women sentiment out there.

DBR black men deep down have a self-annihilation/death wish you must remember.

That's why so many of them engage in self-destructive activities.

Not your problem ladies. Keep the focus on YOU and how you're going to survive and thrive.

Another thing I noticed is that these types of bm dote and particularly fawn over their bi-racial daughters more so than their bi-racial sons, which I find interesting but puzzling also. Why is that? Because lighter skin is a more feminine feature?

It has nothing to do with lighter skin being a more feminine feature. (Which is a lie) Instead, it has EVERYTHING to do with their bi-racial sons (if noticeably lighter) being thought of as looking closer to "the enemy" in their damaged minds. De ebil white man that they envy, fear, hate, and wish THEY were.

Just look at what Michael Jackson has done to himself. He's turned himself into a monster and STILL failed to become a white man. Because he can't - and damaged BM also can't - change their DNA.

DBR bm fawn over their bi-racial daughters (if noticeably lighter) because they're an approximation in their minds of white women. Not as "good" as the real thing (an actual white or other non black woman) but "close enough".

What a sick and twisted situation... I really feel sorry biracial children with self-hating white supremacist oriented black fathers.

That must be a tough situation to grow up in.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary said... "how come black men first, don’t realize what they’re doing, second, why aren’t they ashamed or embarrassed that they’re literally serving white men to this day through their actions (devaluing blackness while casting whiteness as desirable). When I read those comments, I was embarrassed; how come the men doing these things don’t feel embarrassed"

The do not realize what they are doing because it is ingrained and they act automatically based on self hatred without thinking. In order to feel shame i.e. devalued - a person must first have a sense of self respect - nothing from nothing leaves nothing and these men do not have that or they would not be doing this.

Dr. Laura is on the money on this. The hubby does have to take a stand with Mom - however that is easier said than done. By doing the "steel magnolia" put MIL in hotel and having a talk with hubby at the start it puts that process in motion. Men respect action and by telling hubby you've made arrangements for Mommy dearest at a hotel he will know you are serious then she can re-iterate the point that he needs to take a stand with his mother. What the wife does not want to do because it puts her in a negative life is force him to 'choose'- and get into a contest. That would be playing Mom's game. There is no contest the wife is the wife and mother - it is her house, her child, her man and her marriage. Given that fact all she has to do is make a decision as to what is best for all concerned - present it calmly as a fait accompli. Treat it like it is no big deal and she was just being helpful, saving him the time and trouble of making reservations so that he would know where to take Mom when they pick her up at the airport. After all she knows that "he loves and respects her and is aware of how she feels - given past incidents with MIL and wants her and the children to be happy and that he plans to talk to Mom so that she can continue to be a part of her grand babies lives. If hubby says well why would Mom stay at a hotel - the wife can after stating that this is what she thinks it is best for all. MIL will get her rest and they will have their privacy and then calmly repeat what she has said before, and let him know she knows because he loves and respects her and wants her to be happy and that he will talk to his Mom and get this matter settled, so that his Mom can see the kids and continue to be part of their lives. That way he is clear on what is expected of him and that he is valued as a problem solver and protector. This also reduces the confrontational overtone. Men do not like confrontation, they want to please the , but are often not sure how to do that. The tendency is to fight or flight if they feel trapped, or unable to please their wives. That is why a woman who can softly take control and make it known how he can please her - i.e. what to do (men are problem solvers and task oriented) and "guide the situation" without appearing to" he feels like the "decision maker" no stress no strife. at times can win. It works just like Dr. Laura - but does not have the in your face feel. It is all in how you say it. Too often BW are unfairly but none the less it happens characterized as confrontational. It's an unfair, untrue stereotype but that is why it is good to work around it.

Clarice

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Mary...men do those things you spoke of simply because they are not embarassed. I feel that some people are similiar to each other because some people love to receive attention whether it be good or bad.

Sometimes one cannot tell a person what is right or wrong. We all are familiar with the saying, "Don't kill the messenger."

a. f.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger HBC said...

"The do not realize what they are doing because it is ingrained and they act automatically based on self hatred without thinking. In order to feel shame i.e. devalued - a person must first have a sense of self respect - nothing from nothing leaves nothing and these men do not have that or they would not be doing this..."

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Clarice,

You are also very on point.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to totally disagree with the use of dbr use in the term of bm who love white women [i have never been with a ww],these are men who are mainstreamed like other races of men who feel that ww are the ideal beauty ,that don't make them damaged ,damaged men do not take care of their kids ,don't have jobs and or not employeable ,in and out of jail ,selling or on drugs,women beaters,and other negative things that slip my mind .Brian Gumble Sidney Poitier Louis Gates are all bm married to ww and are very respectful intelligent bm . I don't think Robert Deniro are any of the other wm who like bw are damage either it's prefrence .Our hostess of this site stated she like wm and I for one am not offended ,but respect hers and other bw who like whatever ,so lets use the dbr label for the bad guys and not men who drank the white is beautiful juice....Bougie

a great article to look up and read is David Yeagley's What's up with Dark Men ,White Women are the Most Beautiful Women in the World ,he's native american

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Anon, I'm not sure who told you dbm was synonomous with bm who date ww. Because the two are completely separate. dbr refers to men who are self hating, indulge in anti social behavior, have misogynistic tendencies, or other dangerous behavioral deficits or anomalies that result in to harm in their communities. Regardless of the race, gender, or age of the victim....

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whoever brought up MICHAEL JACKSON is on point. That's who comes to mind.

Too often BW are being accused of self-hatred and dating non-BM just to have bi-racial kids.

Can someone give us ONE black woman who has an amount of self-hate equal to Michael Jackson's? NOBODY COULD. What BW has a face has f*cked up as Mike's?

This man did everything to become white and he went so far that he doesn't even look human, he's the ONLY human celeb who can only play an alien in a movie. His CHILDREN are white and he dies the hair of one of his sons BLONDE, so when people tell BW are the ones obsessed with lightskinned children I find that hilarious.

The people singing STILL singing about pride and unity and beauty of brownskin are the Erykas, Indias, Angie Stones and Jill Scotts. The most loyal gender of the community has been BW. The LEAST discriminatory has also been BW. Most BW will think of a Denzel or Usher or Tyson Beckford for black sex symbols, BM are more likely to choose Mariah and Beyonce for black sex symbols. BW will never diss a BM's natural hair, how many of us have heard "PERM THAT SH*T" from BM when we keep it natural? No BW will tell a BM "you look good for a darkskinned man", now BM tell beautiful dark sisters that they "look good for a darkskinned women" all the time.

You have BM talking about "mutts" like Kanye, WW being better like Polow Da Don, or dissing darkskinned women like a certain has-never-been "rapper" Yung Berg. When have BW said similar things about BM and their skintones? And publicly on top of that?

BW have always been blamed for everything. The hypocrisy of the black community is beyond ridiculous.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"However, this past Saturday I saw a bm with his bw and child and this guy was loving his son. He was a proud father and it was very nice to see him take credit for his son's looks. As the father said to the two of us females who were playing with the baby..."He takes after me."

a.f."

That is BEAUTIFUL A.F.

Thanks for sharing that observation! Really sweet."

Let's be honest. The only thing that was soooo 'special' about that was the fact that the man was black, with a black child. Had it been a white couple, or even a black man with a biracial child, none of us would consider that in anyway special. That, to me, is normal behaviour. I just don't get this culture and habit of applauding black men when they do what they are SUPPOSED to do.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bougie, I'm trying to understand why you think any black woman on this site would benefit from reading such a book!

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bougie, I really do not understand why you are on this site! Sara has created this site so that bw would have a place to let down their hair and freely talk about anything on our minds. I do not think I am the only one who is uncomfortable with you being here. Sara is obviously trying to keep an open mind, but I'm sure she is also wondering why you feel the need to invade OUR space? Can a bw have anything???? Are there not enough site geared to bm that more and more of you feel the need to come here and invade the one little space we have? And then try to dictate to us what we can talk about! I think I speak for the majority of us when I kindly ask you to leave...I know it is not my blog but I think we would all appreciate it....

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lola, you better preach girl! That was so on the money, could not have said it better myself!

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm never really bothered by bm being on these sites, as long as they don't bring any foolishness.

I do wonder though, do they spend as much time on sites geared towards bm to proselyze to those bm the way they do to bw here?!

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger EmergingPhoenix said...

I think Bougie sounds young and/or immature and naive about this topic. I am giving them (I think it is a woman), the benefit of the doubt here. I am not sure she is ready for this site, b/c she really has no idea what is going on.

Bougie, I think you need to hop on over to Halima's site to get some History of BW Indoctrination 101. Then come back and comment here, b/c ur missing some fundamental points that keep a lot of bw on the fence about abandoning this unhealthy loyalty to bm. U want to believe that all of this talk is no different than bm who bash bw, but I won't clog up the comments with why that is a fallacy in most cases.

As for the in-law thing, I hesitated to comment, b/c I just had my first run-in with parents/family who for the 1st time didnt like me, and I did not handle it well. I know what does NOT work. I will say that no matter how you approach the MIL, that u need to discuss this with ur hubbie 1st, AND u need to be very objective and careful not to insult his mother. U also need to have a back-up plan if the whole hotel idea does not work (go over well with hubbie). Since u dont have much time to resolve this b4 the visit, I would say an emergency triage would be to make sure to plan a lot of out of the house activities. The buffer of being in public, may reign ur MIL in a bit, and give u sometime to discuss this in depth with the hubster.

The SIL is way too common, and I think everyone really summed it up from all different angles and possible perspectives.

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

JaliliMaster said...
Bougie, I'm trying to understand why you think any black woman on this site would benefit from reading such a book!

it's an article ,I didn't agree with it but it brings about more undersanding which is what is needed in this world and what many are looking for ,hence Obama rather than George Bush philoshpy.
I've always to to empathise with people and understand them ,which is why am so tolerant and fair minded



Bets said...
Bougie, I really do not understand why you are on this site! Sara has created this site so that bw would have a place to let down their hair and freely talk about anything on our minds. I do not think I am the only one who is uncomfortable with you being here


First of all I will respect your wishes and not post anymore. ,but don't be thinking that this is a private place, this site is hot on the white purity chat rooms with racist repeatng and reciting word for word what you are saying about yourself, bm, bkids, everything and the way they are using is against all people of African descent .I found this site through a white bigoted site and what they are saying is so brutal that it took me a while to recover from . So wish you all the best and hope you all find your prince charmings whatever color he turns out to be and I'm not being sacastic with that statement for we truly are the wretched of the earth ...ps how do I know that you are a bw ? and how do you know I'm not a bw over the net we are who ever we want to be ...take care girls [guys or whatever idenity you use much love to Nicole a true beautiful black woman!!] Bougie

 
At Tuesday, July 15, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

"Bougie, I have not heard that there was great discomfort with you're being here. I think that's one person's opinion. But I do think it's a good idea that Emerging suggested ( to visit halima's blog and brush up on the ideology behind our comments)Nevertheless, whether you leave or stay, best of luck to you, and thank you for your participation, and imput....

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bougie is a black male with atleast two daughters. You'll first of all have to tell me what you were doing on those white supremacy sites, and why you were so 'hurt' by the nonsense they wrote there.

I didn't know there were black people who existed that were bothered by that ish. As you have revealed your real reasons for being here, you have lost my interest. The whole story you gave a few weeks ago about wanting your daughters to have the best men possible, regardless of race was bogus. You just wanted a way to offload your self-esteem isues onto black women. You have a black wife(as you claimed), go offload on her!

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all I will respect your wishes and not post anymore. ,but don't be thinking that this is a private place, this site is hot on the white purity chat rooms with racist repeatng and reciting word for word what you are saying about yourself, bm, bkids, everything and the way they are using is against all people of African descent .I found this site through a white bigoted site and what they are saying is so brutal that it took me a while to recover from .

I completely agree, as I found the site the very same way. (just to identify myself I posted the long message on last week's blog and I concluded by extending a cyber handshake to Arthur.)

Sara attempted to start a worthwhile topic of discussion (how can black women manage their in-laws) and that topic has morphed into yet another bash bm and ww session (no fault of Sara's). Doing so imply's that you are still fixated on bm and thus are settling for non-bm.

Perhaps black men would not feel compelled to post if you would stop targeting them and start truly celebrating black women.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

jalilimaster said...

"Let's be honest. The only thing that was soooo 'special' about that was the fact that the man was black, with a black child. Had it been a white couple, or even a black man with a biracial child, none of us would consider that in anyway special. That, to me, is normal behaviour. I just don't get this culture and habit of applauding black men when they do what they are SUPPOSED to do."

NO arguments from me Jalilimaster. NONE.

Your point is well taken.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

JaliliMaster said...
I didn't know there were black people who existed that were bothered by that ish. As

you have revealed your real reasons for being here, you have lost my interest. The whole

story you gave a few weeks ago about wanting your daughters to have the best men

possible, regardless of race was bogus. You just wanted a way to offload your self-esteem

isues onto black women. You have a black wife(as you claimed), go offload on her!

I read all types of blogs silly gossip blogs like mediatakeout & bossip, political blogs that are right wing and left wing ,I'm not scared of other people's opinions and ideas ,I'm black ,wanna hear what whites supremist are saying [of course i already have a good idea], I'am male,would like to know what women are saying ,I don't stay in my own little coccon with people who share all my views , it is only by listening to others you learn and empathize and become a better person ,which hopefully you'll learn someday and become a better person like me [sarcasm]. I don't have to agree with everbody to get along with them.


I agree with most of what is said on this site ,and agree with some of the things said on those racist sites, a broke clock is right at least twice a day . I believe that you were offended by my suggestioned that you read the David Yeagley's article about White Women ,I don't agree with his opinion ,but it was something to consider since people went on a tangent about bm and ww . I do not have a wife to offload on and don't need to offload on any one I consciously work on being a happy blessed person everyday. and I will be open to my daughters ,when they come along to date whoever they choose .
Bets said...
Bougie, I really do not understand why you are on this site

Sarah's site is one of the most fasinating sites in the world ,really revolutionary in the since that she has formed a road less traveled in the mind and hearts of black women since most bw are stuck in the mindset that they need a bm to be real bw , to date ''our mortal enemy the dreaded wm'' is really out there, once you get over the shock you see this isn't a site of self hating bw ,but women who are taking their destiny into their own hands relationship wise, financially ,and health and beauty .For bm the shock comes because we are so use to being the focus in the community [Mammied and Coddled] because of our has high faliure rates in you name it and now you have bw who have moved on and are openly lusting over wm [Viggo Mortesen Gerald Butler etc ,like we have over Carmen Elektra and a slew of other white chicks ,it's something we are not use too so I guess there would be suspison and hostility to bm on these sites believing we have alterior motives ,for me I like reading the topics and posting links that pertain to bw interracial issues and seeing what Sara and the readers think about it . I'm not trying to make this about me or post more since I've offended some, but please don't lie about me and not expect me to respond ,now back to the topic some bw has a hostile sister in law [who i believe have incestous feelings ]and needs to know how to handle her , what should she do?......Bougie

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree ,but earlier post refered to men who date ww and have children with them and love those kids as dbrbm/

Bougie hun,

You must have reading comprehension problems. The earlier multiple posts referred to bm who date ww and have children by them, and REJECT those who favor them. While preferring those who look nothing like them. bm who take care of their biracial children while rejecting the black children they fathered FIRST. All based on COLOR.

Again, get your facts straight. This behavior is inexcusable. And it shows a level of self-hate in yourself not to realize it. Or would it have been "OK" for your father to have thrown you away like yesterdays trash (hypothetically speaking since I don't know you or your history) upon fathering biracial children.

A lot folks - and black males folks specifically - fail to put themselves in the child's place.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all I will respect your wishes and not post anymore. ,but don't be thinking that this is a private place, this site is hot on the white purity chat rooms with racist repeating and reciting word for word what you are saying about yourself, bm, bkids, everything and the way they are using is against all people of African descent .I found this site through a white bigoted site and what they are saying is so brutal that it took me a while to recover from.


gregg d. said...

I completely agree, as I found the site the very same way. (just to identify myself I posted the long message on last week's blog and I concluded by extending a cyber handshake to Arthur.)


I hope you also completely agree that we're not "reinventing the wheel" here. Lets be REAL. Everybody - including white supremacist - ALREADY KNOW about the issues being discussed on this blog and others like it. They (along with non white-supremacists) ALREADY KNOW abut the growing numbers of DBR bm. The numbers of black men rejecting and abandoning their black children. The rampant colorism that exist amongst black males. Their high numbers in all negative statistics. IT'S NOT NEWS. What black men need to NOT "recover" from is the REALITY. If they themselves are not damaged, they need to call out the behavior of those who are. Be men, and stop the destruction that is going on in their communities.

Sara attempted to start a worthwhile topic of discussion (how can black women manage their in-laws) and that topic has morphed into yet another bash bm and ww session (no fault of Sara's).

Sara, not you or me, is in control of this blog and the content in it. If Sara deems a comment - whether off topic or not - important enough to post, she'll do it. Don't forget who's running the show. And remember, you're not being forced to stay here. If you're offended by the comments - or tangents as you say - leave.

Telling an unpleasant truth about a certain segment/percentage of the black male and white female population is not bashing. Anyone can have delusions of grander and superiority. Including black men and white women. Many of whom have traditionally hidden behind the label of "victim".

Doing so imply's that you are still fixated on bm and thus are settling for non-bm.

NO ONE is more apparently "fixated" (and going along with your reasoning settling for non black-women) than black men. Here you have a blog specifically oriented to BW/WM. YET, you have a whole slew of messages filled with rants/cursing/threats, etc... from crazy black men. Sara has recently revealed the nature of many of the post that never make it to the comments section. When EVERYTHING discussed here is ALREADY COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

Obama, Cosby and all the rest are saying THE EXACT SAME THING that's being discussed here.

Yet, if you go to numerous "black sites", black male oriented sites, and bm/ww sites, you hear nothing BUT bashing of bw. Based purely on the PHYSICAL. A few days ago a bw commenter was commenting on how physically ugly she found bm to be. Sara, and another poster called her out and refocused the discussion on QUALITY/BEHAVIOR being of the upmost importance. Yet, you NEVER find bm on those other sites doing the same.

MANY bm have proudly accepted the stereotypical rhetoric of white supremacy and have RUN with it. And if you don't expect people (and NOT just bw trust me) to comment on the irony/self-hating nature of it all, you are insane.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Blogger Jazine said...

"Perhaps black men would not feel compelled to post if you would stop targeting them and start truly celebrating black women."

Oh please! Not sipping the Kool-Aid of gaslighting anymore. Black women had too much of that garbage rhetoric to choke on for a lifetime. Even when bw just discuss being attracted to non-bm w/o the bm involvement, y'all still swoop down complaining. Heck, when bw are defending and enabling bm they were still bashed, so I'm not going to play that game with you.

Ladies keep it coming. We are on fire and naysayers are losing their power more and more.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara attempted to start a worthwhile topic of discussion (how can black women manage their in-laws) and that topic has morphed into yet another bash bm and ww session (no fault of Sara's). Doing so imply's that you are still fixated on bm and thus are settling for non-bm.

The same could be said about BM who date non-bw and talk about bw, that they're "fixated on bw and settling for non-bw". I bet you'll think it's not true. Obviously, we're bound to talk about each other considering that we're part of the same big dysfunctional community. Doesn't mean bw are settling for non-bm, don't flatter yourself.

Our approach is different though. We address issues, and say what needs to be said. We don't go around referring to you as "b*tches" and "h*es" or "n word" (and I'm not just talking about music, I'm talking about the internet, especially YOUTUBE, and BM in everyday life cursing you in public just for the sake of doing it), publicly bashing us (the Wesleys), working on your destruction (we've spent 400 years uplifting y'all after all), now that's what I would call "bashing". Just because we talk about blatant problems that lead to the destruction of a race we are part of, doesn't mean we're "bashing" or are "fixated" and "settling". Or maybe you think Barack and Cosby were "bashing" BM as well? LOL!

Ladies read the subliminal message : "Black MULES, you better know your place and remain SILENT when it comes to the dysfunctional behaviors of BM. Keyword SILENT." Don't fall for this, sisters, and fear not.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous,

Telling an unpleasant truth about a certain segment/percentage of the black male and white female population is not bashing. Anyone can have delusions of grander and superiority. Including black men and white women. Many of whom have traditionally hidden behind the label of "victim".
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Obama, Cosby and all the rest are saying THE EXACT SAME THING that's being discussed here.
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Yet, if you go to numerous "black sites", black male oriented sites, and bm/ww sites, you hear nothing BUT bashing of bw. Based purely on the PHYSICAL. A few days ago a bw commenter was commenting on how physically ugly she found bm to be. Sara, and another poster called her out and refocused the discussion on QUALITY/BEHAVIOR being of the upmost importance. Yet, you NEVER find bm on those other sites doing the same.


Tell it! They ain't ready for the truth!!! We're supposed to be the docile and silent mules we were taught to be. Newsflash : them days are OVER! The whole post was excellent, but those three parts got me singing GOSPEL!

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, I've never actually posted here before (don't think) but I wanted to thank you for answering my email and giving me the imput of your brilliant readers. I definitely agree with bougie about this being the most fastinating blog I've seen. You have so much good information! I really love this spot. You seem to be growing bigger and bigger. I guess soon you won't be able to personally answer emails. But thank you so much for all your help and advice. (and your readers too) MIL is definitely going to a nice hotel....not too close. ha ha

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi. Sara I wanted to thank you for the personal advice you gave me about finding a good man.Remember I told you I am very dark and bm totally ignore me. I did just as you suggested. I found the diner in town where all the state troopers had lunch and began to lunch with a friend there everyday. About the 3rd time. A table full of handsome wm troopers kept looking at us. One asked us if we came often, and we said yes. Well, they started talking to us and we all had a fantastic lunch. After that we started to sit with them all the time, soon they were COMPETING TO ASK US OUT! I could not beleive it. It's the most exciting thing that ever happened to me! Anyway,I found the one I liked best. His name is manny. He's the most wonderful man I have ever dated. WW have been hiding this little secret!(they have alot of good men) lol. We've been dating up a storm and my best friend has too. She's dating a guy named Jay. This is the first time a man has ever held the door for me, and happily paid, and brought me flowers... I keep pinching myself because it's unreal. I dated brothers for over 20 years but could never find one who wanted me for more than a booty call. The worst part was, they did not mind telling me that as black as I was, I was lucky they would be seen with me! Manny wants me to meet his family next week! Sara, nobody has ever introduced me to their family, I'm so excited (scared too) but excited. He's so big and handsome and he makes over 100k per year! He could have any woman, I keep wondering why he would settle for me, but I'm thanking my lucky stars for him and you. You are truly a blessing. I wrote to several people who claim to want to help bw, you were the only one who answered and gave me great advice/encouragement. Thank you so much! -Patricia

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Blogger LostGirl#1 said...

"Tell it! They ain't ready for the truth!!! We're supposed to be the docile and silent mules we were taught to be. Newsflash : them days are OVER! The whole post was excellent, but those three parts got me singing GOSPEL!"

____________________________________

Wave your hands in the air...wave'em like you just don't care...LOL

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Patricia, I'm very hapy you are dating a nice guy, BUT, do not ever let me hear you say ("why would he SETTLE for me?) Honey, don't ever have that attitude because a man will pick up on it. He is blessed to have you. I want you to do a little work on your self esteem ok. You must beleive you are worthy and special in order for him to. He is not settling for you, you are a GIFT. Remember the words of one of my idols (Lauren Hutton) when she came to hollywood and presented herself to the film makers. She said:

"I'm bringing myself as if I were a basket of flowers!"

And that's the way you present yourself to a man...

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sara, I am so glad you got on top of Patricia's statement. I was concerned about her. She sounds like a wonderful lady. You are so right. A man can smell a woman's low self-esteem like a hound dog can smell a slave.

@ Patricia - I hope you have a wonderful ride you deserve it!

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

" I just don't get this culture and habit of applauding black men when they do what they are SUPPOSED to do."

i completely agree with this, i have noticed that a lot of black men, when they want to make a point, always start with 'I'm an educated black man'. ladies when is the last time a white man came in here talking about i'm an educated white man. we don't even think about that because we know a lot of them are not completely useless!!!

my history: i have to say bm started rubbing me the wrong way when i was in middle school. i went to a majority black school (btw, i'm african). the boys were sooooo disrespectful to the black girls. even at such a young age, they were bullying and sexually harassing the girls (maybe this is normal for kids in america, i don't know?). i even got my own taste of the sexual harassment when a GROUP, not a single boy, but a GROUP of black boys gathered around me and asked me what the color of my nipples were? (i will never forget that ish). they would walk around the halls like they owned it, meanwhile would fail or get bad grades. they would sexually chirate and hump on the desks DURING class. going to that middle school was a learning experience in more ways than one. so black women especially should be careful where their children go to school and what type of children their children are interacting with. my mother visited my school only once and was determined i would not go to the high school in that district.how come at my white high school, none of the white boys asked me about my nipples. why didn't they sexually harass the girls during class. this damaged behavior obviously starts when they're very young!!! one day, when my mother and I were staying at this majority black and hispanic apartment (it was a low income neighborhood, where a lot of dbr men reside), i took my sister to the playground. there was this 7 year old black boy who looked so cute. he said he wanted to write something down for me. i was like great. that bastard literally wrote down "I want to f**k you". i'm not even kiddling!!! he was only SEVEN people!!!! only seven!!! so again, this damage occurs at a very early age, guard yourselves and your children!!!

mary

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Blogger Delishmish said...

I have noticed a couple of posters point out that the discussion keeps morphing away from the topic our Sara posted....this may not be a bad thing...Life itself is about morphing..we cannot always stick to the same ways...when circumstances change (and let us assume it is ALWAYS for the better) then we too change..so for those heavily resisting the sway of the conversation..just go with it..BW NEED to change quickly and in tune with the environment....sometimes we need to just stop..cross the road, and go in the other direction..all at a moments notice..that is what is happening here....believe it or not.

As for those who say things we say here end up on other forums..perhaps..who cares..I have been "accused" of writing things that are fodder for other forums..lol..well I cannot control what others do..and words can be miscontrued all the time..so do we just shut up, and not say anything, lest it be misconstrued, or "used" by one with other intentions?..NO..NO NO..we keep saying and doing....and living.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This site has been linked to on stuffwhitepeoplelike.com. Bougie likely is a white male who found the site there.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have noticed a couple of posters point out that the discussion keeps morphing away from the topic our Sara posted....this may not be a bad thing...Life itself is about morphing..we cannot always stick to the same ways...when circumstances change (and let us assume it is ALWAYS for the better) then we too change..so for those heavily resisting the sway of the conversation..just go with it..BW NEED to change quickly and in tune with the environment....sometimes we need to just stop..cross the road, and go in the other direction..all at a moments notice..that is what is happening here....believe it or not.

As for those who say things we say here end up on other forums..perhaps..who cares..I have been "accused" of writing things that are fodder for other forums..lol..well I cannot control what others do..and words can be miscontrued all the time..so do we just shut up, and not say anything, lest it be misconstrued, or "used" by one with other intentions?..NO..NO NO..we keep saying and doing....and living."

Oh Girl! That's IT in a nutshell. Everything you said. Why should we sensor ourselves for fear of being misconstrued? Bottom line is, folks are going to think what they're going to think regardless.

All of this "OMG they're discussing this on the white supremacist sites. How traumatic..." is nothing but a SCARE tactic.

Meant to get black women to shut up for fear of what the white racists might to do to the po black man.

Personally, I'm more concerned with what the black racists ALREADY ARE doing to black women and children. Regardless of income.

Everyone knows that these days DBRBM (and a general DBR mentality that has infected this urban hip hop generation) are destroying more black lives - including po black male lives - than the Klan (and the rest) could ever hope for.

They (the white racists) can just sit back and enjoy the show. Thugs are doing their job FOR them.

Bottom line is, everyone's just commenting on an already observable and disturbing phenomenon.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Delishmish said... As for those who say things we say here end up on other forums..perhaps..who cares..I have been "accused" of writing things that are fodder for other forums..lol..well I cannot control what others do..and words can be miscontrued all the time..so do we just shut up, and not say anything, lest it be misconstrued, or "used" by one with other intentions?..NO..NO NO..we keep saying and doing....and living.

Thank you! The truth will set you free because the truth is meant to be free. That is why what is said here as people share their truths, some of which are universal it travels. Great fantastic! It's like the old folks used to say education, knowledge is something that can't be taken away from you once you have it. Knowledge is power and this place and the resources it taps into are power houses. If the individuals here who are quoted in other places - were talking directly to those folks they would say the same thing because the truth is not relative. It is the same no matter where it is and none of what is talked about here is a secret. Only self deceptive, delusional, damaged folks think, speak and believe lies as the truth.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Anon, you are so right and that's the scariest part. That they are doing more harm than the klan. Can't they see it?? My God, how come we can. Even most black men are scared of other black men! This is how dangerous and insidious this hip hop hell culture/lifestyle has become! Where violence, murder, rape, dishoner, misogyny etc. are all glorified, as the order of the day. Then you have people like Bob Johnson who don't care how low he brings the AA race provided he gets richer and richer. I feel like he sold his soul to the devil a long time ago, and now he's trying to sell the rest of the AA community. This is why it is so important to call bm on their mess, So that they can wake up and make a change before it's too late... Delish, you're right. It did get a bit off course, but it was such a fantastic discussion-I just let it go....

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ miss pinky, LOLLL!!!

@ kim.....THANK YOU for your kindness:)

@ Patricia, I feel like hugging you!! Sara is right, you're a wonderful woman and you're worth it. Your experience is something bw will live once they've freed themselves from the indoctrination! We can do, *have* and be ANYTHING that we want. Don't believe anyone who tells you differently.

At the risk of being redundant, I'm gonna say it again and again cause I want sistas to really realize this : BW are desired and have always been desired by non-BM (non-bm have ALWAYS wooed me and I'm nowhere near "close to white"), it's the fact that we've been exclusive to BM that made BW in IRR rare.

As I told one of my best friends, don't remain in an environment where you're not loved, respected and appreciated. GO and STAY where the love is. Iman did it, Garcelle Beauvais did it, Alek Wek is doing it and...Patricia is now doing it. They are "where the love is".

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Blogger arthur said...

+..He could have any woman, I keep wondering why he would settle for me, ...

Pat, everything you've ever been told about darker sisters not being attractive is wrong, as far as wm are concerned. The average wm is going to see the woman, not the skin shade. If anything, he's likely to feel like 'darker is better'.

Start believing the evidence of your own experience; if a group men are competing to date you, guess what? It's because they think you're an attractive, desirable woman. Face it: you're beautiful.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I get approached by 10-year-old black boys on skateboards (new trend for these hoodlums these days I guess) who basically say the same things. These men/little boys disgust me.

 
At Wednesday, July 16, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Sigh, remember back in the day when little black boys were so respectful to their elders. I was little then too, but I remember you would never see them say such things to grown women! I wonder when this horrible transformation took place?

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic but what do you think about this. Don't know if he's black or white,
Anyway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S8SyCwg5_E&feature=related

beagle

 
At Saturday, July 19, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Beagle exactly who are you? and why do you want people to see this video?

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted this because I wanted to know what others thought about the video. Frankly I got the feeling of the video trying to discourage black women from dating white/other men. Frankly I assume the dude is black because of how he was saying bmww were more geniune etc. I don't know it was just weird.

Plus it goes with this I guess abit too because what if it's not the inlaws that are racist, what if it's the bp in your own family/neighbors etc. who see you as having the audacity to believe/know you are attractive to men other other races.

And I'm sorry, but the dude is wrong, because I've seen many bmww groups so to say we are the only ones is ridiculous

Beagle

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Blogger Jazine said...

LOL! Judging from the voice on that video, it was a young teenage white guy. He was totally ignorant of the dynamics bw go through, but it reminds me of just another shame/scare tactic against black women.

Honestly we don't need to hear about this garbage, although with all the anti-bw videos being posting on you tube as a backlash reaction against these blogs, we must be gaining ground. But again, we don't need to hear about it, there are so many anti-bw blogs, videos postings, etc, floating in cyberspace. It serves us no good to dwell our energies on negativity.

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone but me notice he completely sidestepped the question when Sara asked him who he was/and why he was here.Then Jas tells us it's another bw bashing video, like we have not seen enough of those! So now the trolls are pretending to be friends when they come- the trolls are getting more clever y'all
-be on guard

 
At Sunday, July 20, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ladies beware BM Haters in Atlanta

There is a group called Dirty South boys who are crashing WM/BW group parties. I was told this by a WM who host the Coffee and Cream meetup. His events have been targeted this year. it has even become physical, so if you are in the Atlanta area remember that some BM are targeting us.

Just a FYI

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beagle exactly who are you? and why do you want people to see this video?

1.)BW
2.)As stated before it was weird and a little discouraging. I guess I just wanted to know what others thought on the issue.

Did anyone but me notice he completely sidestepped the question when Sara asked him who he was/and why he was here.Then Jas tells us it's another bw bashing video, like we have not seen enough of those! So now the trolls are pretending to be friends when they come- the trolls are getting more clever y'all
-be on guard

And I'm sorry, but the dude is wrong, because I've seen many bmww groups so to say we are the only ones is ridiculous. Would be a clue a clue of my gender. I'm not a he i'm a she for the fact that I don't seem to have the needed male genitalia. Frankly know I'm a troll before the fingers start a typing.

Ladies beware BM Haters in Atlanta

There is a group called Dirty South boys who are crashing WM/BW group parties. I was told this by a WM who host the Coffee and Cream meetup. His events have been targeted this year. it has even become physical, so if you are in the Atlanta area remember that some BM are targeting us.

Just a FYI

Don't know about the group and I'm not even a part of them. I've been posting on other IR blogs for a while without ever being disrespected before. It's cool though just won't be bringing my female black ass here no more.

Beagle

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Blogger Taylor-Sara said...

Beagle we never insinuated you were part of the dirty south boys. Not sure where you got that idea from. Everyone is a little over-sensitive because we have had many trolls sneak in under disquise and try to cause problems. That is why I asked you who you were and why you wanted them to see the video. If your feelings are hurt I apologize, but we simply found it odd that you did not just say "I'm a bw/bm ....and I'm here because.... After all beagle IS a very strange name for a woman.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beagle, I'm trying to understand how you got that anyone was implying that you were one of the Dirty South Boys.

 
At Monday, July 21, 2008 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The person who posted that video was a black man. I know some people think his accent sounded like that of a white guy. But this dude is definitely black! Look at all the other videos he's posted. 80% of them have to do with black women.

The rest have to do with black men victim this and that. That is definitely a black man!

 

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